LinksOcarina said:
And honestly, out of the PC games you listed, Only two of them are really standing the test of time in retrospect as much as OOT is and thats Half-Life, and Starcraft. How many people did play Baldurs Gate, or Grim Fandango, or the first Unreal?
That's... a bad counter argument here. So popularity is what make a game good and survive the test of time? Cause people don't play that game it's not worth a moment to reflect what it did to the game community? I understand remembering the conventions centered around the game... at the time. I mean i recall mostly the long waiting lines of boba fett impersonators to see star wars episode 1 more then the freaking turd of a film it turned out to be! But will i thank episode 1 for making new friends that night? NO! i'll thank the people who came to the movies that day. Certainly not lucas...
LinksOcarina said:
How many remember them? I mean, I liked them too when I played them, (except Unreal which I thought was a piece of crap, and Baldurs Gate which is severely overrated) but there is a reason why OOT is always listed as one of the best games ever made; its just memorable for the time period it was in.
And you failed what i was pointing it out in that list. There were other games that same years, other genre changing games, games that pushed the boundaries of what you can call a game. To the many or few people who played the games on that list, they were shown that the technology was changing all around us. New interface systems, the internet, new graphic requirement, more rendering, more realistic shadows, a more story driven adventures, open world, exploration as a reward not as the main feature, taboo society subjects brought in games either as parody or as a main subject and last but certainly not least, the unreal engine. We can now create and play as any person we wanted, create a society that reflects our ideas in any settings or time. Can you imagine how many people were inspired to... make games? To this day, it's impossible to say a number. Heck, i didn't even play Unreal and i can understand why you'd call it horrible, but i can tell you the impact it did to game making.
And all of that wasn't in 2007 nor 2010, just the year 1998... and merely the PC world. And it even pales in comparison to the year after, 1999. I had so many friends who just drop the Nintendo 64 that year and moved on to the other platforms. Heck i eventually joined them and to this day we are all raising our eyebrows on this weird fandom to the people who cringed their 64 to their last breath. It had great games, some that must be encase in glass boxes for the rest of the world to see for eternity, sure why not! But worth ignoring everything else that happened during those years and automatically rate it better then anything else? That's a big no.
LinksOcarina said:
System is irrelevant in this case, its just a timeless story telling trope of a mythic hero. Basically, Link is the video game equivalent of Heracles, he is a mythical hero that has numerous interpretations, adaptations, and stories pertaining to him, making Link, and OOT, essentially timeless. THAT is why its so memorable, because OOT is the first game to really push that forward as an idea.
Ahhh... typical fanboy response... that's when i say " I rest my case and your glasses really show that rose taint" but i won't, I'll charge in.
I saw that extra credit episode on the "hero's journey". In it it featured a book called "the hero with a thousand face". Go to the library and pick it up. Go ahead, it's free.
The book explains this routine in story telling about how the protagonist in nearly every story follows a similar path. I won't make the list here and compare it to Zelda but suffice to say, Ocarina of time wasn't the first. Not by a long shot, not even in the video game world. In fact, the best way to actually enjoys games (or anything in general) is to point out the flaws in the story and even show why the game itself would alienate other people back then or today. I'll cite skyrim
as an example. People hated it, will hate it if they haven't played the darn game and will call it overrated. Things is though, is that i understand why they would do that. Either they will remember it for the rest of time or not, i don't care cause i own the game and I'm still playing it. And if in the future I'll get bored, there's nothing stopping me from playing it again be it tomorrow or ten years from now (queue the DRM joke). I'll make sure however, that i will never call it perfect or flawless or tell people "You had to be there". It's crap and it will always be! But it'll b a crap that i enjoy for breakfast from time to time.
LinksOcarina said:
Ahh yes... the age old "That's just my opinion so no reason to start a fight" face. There a deep feeling in all of us that wants us to take a stand with your beliefs against an overwhelming horde of imaginative evil. It'll never come cause people in general hate conflicts, they just want to be right. So how do you show it? Easy, find a topic that conflicts with your ideas. Make it seem that you are agreeing him with some points but then bash him as the hero you are using his idiotic beliefs against yours. Do they argue back? do their thought bother you? say it was your opinion all along!
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so do everything i did in this post... pretty much...
Besides, what do i know about quality game? I still like the original syndicate, i still play World of warcraft and i believe tetris is the best game of all time... i'm such a loser...
