inception

Discussion in 'Films, TV, Music, Books, Etc.' started by Lien, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. WickedLiquid

    WickedLiquid Regular

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    I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you talking about when Fischer is talking to his father on his death bed or when they all awoken into level 1 and Fischer is talking to Eames in disguise of his colleague?

    I forget exactly what he says to Eames but his father said to him "I'm surprised you even tried" which planted the idea in Fischer's mind that his business would fail.
     
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  2. FrozenBacon

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    Bumping this old topic because 1) the movie is now out on DVD/Blu-Ray and 2) this is my first time seeing the movie. This is a spoilerific post so if you are even further out of the loop than me and havent seen the movie, you should just move on.

    Anyway, after seeing the movie I am pretty convinced that Cobb is stuck inside of his own dream. During the scene where Mal killed herself, the thought that she was right was implanted in the back of my head. As the movie went on, I became more convinced of this. The major thing is that while everyone else was in the lower levels of the dream, as they died they were transported to higher levels. If anyone can remember correctly, Araidne killed herself and Fischer exactly the same way Mal did, and she just rode up to a higher level of the dream world.

    Cobb explained that him and Mal kept going further into the subconscious, the single kick that he did with him and Mal would've only shot him up one more level. Since they went all the way into limbo, one kick would not be enough.

    Of course there is the whole thing about Mal trying to convince Cobb to stay down there with him. That doesn't make sense if she was trying to get Cobb back into reality. Then again one could argue that she could be a projection, or is trying to plant the idea into Cobb's head in a very subtle fashion. Another argument could be that it is just one massive plot hole that is easily covered up by the open ending.

    I think the ending is somewhat of a cop out to easily cover up any plot holes but it is so elegant that I cannot hate it. If cobb was really dreaming this entire time, his brain is scrambled for sure and there is no way he would be sane if he was ever brought back to the real world.

    A pistol is hard as fuck to aim with. I am a military trained marksmanship coach and I really have to focus to hit exactly where I aim on my target from 25 yards out with a M9. Fuck, even if I fuck up my trigger squeeze I could miss the target all together. Add some running and gunning and I'll probably be lucky if I even hit my damn target 40% of the time. Why do you think so many rappers get shot and not die? Because it is hard as fuck to hit right on target if you dont have any real training.

    But the dudes with the rifles had no reason to miss.
     
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  3. WickedLiquid

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    One of the coolest theories I heard is that the real Inception in the movie is Christopher Nolan planting an idea into our heads.

    Nolan planted the idea that Cobb's totem is the spinning top when in fact the top was Mal's totem. Cobb's REAL totem is his wedding ring. He wears it when he is in a dream and is not wearing it when he's in reailty. In the last scene if you pay close attention and pause on his hand, he is not wearing a ring. However we've all been duped into thinking the spinning top is Cobb's key to reailty.

    Take from that what you will....
     
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  4. Bretimus_v2

    Bretimus_v2 So tired.

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    Hmm, I've always figured that his kids are his totem. You see him spawn them into several dreams. Plus, he looks away before they turn because they are so personal and specific to him that he recognizes them as a shade of their true selves. That's why at the end he doesn't look away.
     
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  5. intoTheRain

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    i think you're all looking too deeply into it and it is what it is =). but i guess that's the point of these movies. but even taking it at face value it blew my mind. though i did think it felt a little clumsy at points. but that was probably my fault for missing something, and not the writing.

    great movie for sure. watched it again christmas night with my dad.
     
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