Is the government EVER going to legalize marijuana?

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  1. WickedLiquid

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    I don't condone the use of marijuana but I think a lot of people are taking this way too far. As a citizen of Toronto I will tell you that I completely understand where Hex is coming from. Smoking weed at a concert is pretty common around here. And if you're caught with weed then most likely you'll be forced to get rid of it all. You won't get kicked out, and you certainly won't get arrested. The fact that he was thrown out is unheard of here and I would also be incredibly pissed if it happened to me.

    Also, to those unfamiliar with our laws, you won't even get arrested in Canada if police catch you with a small amount of marijuana. It is decriminalized here, meaning the most you will get is a fine. As long as it is under a certain amount (I forger the limit) and it isn't divided into small quantities for dealing then it is ok. The police have (or at least they should have) better things to do then arresting stoners. At least here.

    I can totally understand those who are scratching their heads wondering why he's upset if he broke the law. But it's different up here and while smoking Marijuana is not fully legalized and is still frowned upon, it's not as severally enforced as it it is in other places.
     
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    Wait, what? I'm saying it's illegal. As far as I know, the criminal justice system doesn't take your opinion on what is legal and not legal into account. It's not a matter of opinion, and it's really funny that you're getting mad at us when we don't treat it as such. Just because you want to treat a certain law as being a matter of opinion, doesn't mean anyone else is. So stop doing that in this discussion.

    Being in possession of any amount of a banned substance means the full extent of the law is applied to you. In the US, we have what are called mandatory minimums. If you are caught in possession of a banned substance, there is a minimum fine/jail sentence you are required to serve, no matter the quantity or seriousness of the crime. That's it. Yes, it's stupid, but it certainly isn't a joke here.

    In California, the state has chosen not to enforce certain aspects of the federal ban. In my state, they do. It's that simple.

    Again, you seem to be taking the term criminal, which means somebody who has broken the law, and conveniently ignored the fact that you fit the description simply because you think the law is bullshit. That's not how real life works. I'm sorry to say so.

    I'm sorry, but the law IS black and white. It's that simple. You are going to suffer some penalty for violating the law, whether or not you believe it to be right or wrong. You seem to think that I don't understand what it is to be oppressed by the system or something. That's fucking bullshit, and don't even try to tell yourself that. I'm just making the point that the law states how it is, and even if you don't agree and feel like protesting, the law isn't going to cut you a break. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to wrap your head around the idea?

    Look at the civil rights movement in America. When Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to move to the back of the bus, she went to jail. The law said that this would happen. Was the law right? No. But it was the law. She didn't expect any other consequence than to be arrested.

    I'm not saying protesting such a terrible law is wrong, but as you've made abundantly clear, that was not your intent. Your intent was to get high for personal enjoyment, in violation of the law. Don't act as though you're standing up to some massive injustice.

    Dude, don't talk about concerts like you know everything there is to know about concerts. Yes, I've been to concerts. Sure, people have been high. You're attempting to argue that the accepted culture at a specific type of event should be the law of the land. It's a bad argument. Lynch mobs and murder go hand in hand too, but that doesn't make murder an ok thing at lynch mobs. Yes, that's an extreme example, but in the eyes of the law, your argument is moot. It doesn't matter.

    Perhaps in Canada, the law is rarely enforced. Perhaps the doorman was on a power trip. The fact remains that the law is clear as to what is allowed and not allowed. Until the law is changed, security still has that right to remove you. Hell, as a private event, in a privately owned venue, security has the right to remove you if they want to even if marijuana is legalized, as long as your ticket guaranteed that you acknowledged you would be removed for smoking pot. And, i'm guessing, using the ticket at the entrance was an acknowledgment of the fact that you wouldn't break the law, enforced or unenforced. Well, it got enforced for once. Don't come crying to me.

    And yet, you fail to see the point. Smoking pot is illegal. The owner has every right to force you out for smoking pot. I'm sorry if it's not normal for that to happen because the law isn't typically enforced, but if the law exists, then the club has the right to enforce it. They chose to. Don't act as though it's some travesty that they decided to do so. Frankly, you should thank the venue every time you get away with it, because they could remove you, and chose not to. Remember, you are not entitled to break the law because you spent money to go to an event. It's really that simple.

    And I'm sorry if you don't feel like the punishment fit the crime. At this point in history, much of society does seem to think it does, otherwise the law would be different or not exist. It's really simple.

    Look, I don't have a problem with you ranting about the fact, or feeling as though you were treated unfairly. The problem I had was when you started to try and make it some legal issue, and tried to make it seem like you had done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law. I think it's pretty clear that the law says you did do something wrong. If you want to tell us that the law should be changed, that's great, I don't disagree with that position. But trying to claim that we're wrong in anyway by pointing out that you broke the law is just plain stupid, because you did.

    But what makes you look the most stupid:
    All that says to me is you're not really reading what I'm saying. I specifically said at the beginning of my first post:
    I have nothing against marijuana in any way. I think it should be legalized. I've even *gasp* used marijuana a few times. I'm not trying to argue that it should be illegal. I'm just pointing out that it is, and for you to complain that you got treated unfairly, when the law states that you could have been treated a lot worse, is just stupid. Especially when you KNOW that certain consequences could possibly happen. You KNOW what the law says, chose to violate it, and still act as though you did nothing wrong IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. I'm not saying smoking a joint is wrong, I'm saying the law says it's wrong, and for you to act as though it doesn't, which you have, is stupid.

    Again, I AGREE MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGALIZED. Just don't come bitching to me when you get caught using it and are then punished. Don't put yourself in that position, especially, as you admit, when you're not trying to make a statement. That's common sense.


    Anyways, since I know you're just going to ignore what I'm saying anyways, I'm not going to post again. I've taken enough stabs at trying to show how childish you're being about the whole thing, as have longo and ITTR, but I guess you can't get past that. Whatever.
     
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    People still say "smoking pot"?
     
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    We can argue about this all night, we're not going to get anywhere. So I'll merely address one thing you said (without ignoring everything else).

    Sure she broke the law, but the law was wrong. Sure I broke the law, but the law was wrong. If the law is wrong, then it should not be followed. Rosa Parks should not have followed the law and moved to the back of the bus. I'm sure we can all agree to that. So why can't you understand where I'm coming from? I'm not trying to say I was oppressed but you ask me what I was expecting. How about what normally happens; a warning and being asked to empty my pockets and to get rid of any marijuana I'm holding. Canada isn't a zero-tolerance country when it comes to pot, not by a long shot. So yes, I think the kid-security-guard overreacted and if you want to take the laws side, then I'm here to tell you the law is wrong.

    All this arguing and I could've just said what I wanted to say there. It's just when people blindly follow the law without even questioning it I get upset. Because it's so easy for people to bend over and accept whatever the government chooses to fuck them over. People like that who don't speak out when the police abuse their power as law officers or when the government raises taxes for the poor while the rich continue to live unaffected. It's people like that who don't bother to question why the US is in such a sad state. Meanwhile people who protest and speak out against unfair and unjust laws are the ones who don't tolerate that crap. Some people will laugh at them and call them stupid hippies/hipsters, but at least they're out there doing something while the nay-sayers are wasting their lives online making a mockery of it all. Maybe I'm living in the wrong decade...

    If people don't speak up, we'll never be heard. How the conversation got to this is beyond me. I blame IntotheRain pretentious sarcasm that started this train wreck (JK dude, don't arrest me). I broke the law, but the punishment did not fit the crime. If it ever happens to you, you'll understand.

    But to each their own, you think I deserved to be thrown out by pee wee's younger cousin then that's your opinion.
     
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    You should at least be glad you were only kicked out rather than ticketed for possession.
     
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    This has been going around in circles and going nowhere and has pretty much left the original point, and I think when people compare themselves to Rosa Parks and call others Nazis we've gone about as far as we can go.

    Woo drug threads! Now we need a political thread!
     
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    For BlackStar:

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    It was BlackStar that wanted the cats right?
     
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    Yes, yes it was.
     
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    Back on the train everyone!
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    Good. Now we have the perfect place to compare the moderators to 19 year old security guards.

    You guys earned that receipt.
     
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    This has gotten way out of hand.
     
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    Yeah, they should lock this thread. :wink:
     
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    Your wish is granted tiny!
     
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