Politically correct, and all the bullshit that comes with it

Affirmative action (not sure if it's a proper proper noun, but I'm thinking of it in general) is largely stupid, and there are better ways to handle whatever situation is trying to be rectified. Political correctness is useful, but stupid when people confuse politically correct terms for other concepts, or are over-committed to it and thus jump the gun, calling everyone racist.

I hate you for making this thread, because reading about this stuffs just makes me angry at how stupid and intolerant people can be.
 
Affirmative Action isn't always going to necessarily be a bad thing. In jobs where minorities have been historically underrepresented, it can be used to get them in the door. The problem is when it is used as justification to hire somebody over somebody else when they are the less qualified candidate. I don't think that should ever be the case. It should really be about keeping things like that from happening based on race. Basically, a company shouldn't be able to only hire white people (especially if they are not as qualified as their non-white candidates), but you also shouldn't force them to hire unqualified non-whites.
 
Mod-Chip said:
The amount of white privilege in this thread is astounding.

How am I acting privileged when I feel the job should go to the best man, even if it wasn't me, it sure as hell wasn't the guy they went with.

So to get things straight

My view towards treating everyone equally, that's me being racist
Giving handouts to people because of the colour of their skin, thats.. justice?
 
C_nate said:
You can't be serious. This first article I clicked on he manages to mention Nazis and Ayn Rand among other things. What a load of horseshit. I've seen kids in elementary school argue with better logic than this guy.

SO you look at one article and because this fellow, who is a libertarian, mentions national socialism and ayn rand IT'S ALL FUCKING HORSESHIT.

Wow. Tell me, what type of liberal arts degree do you have?

Icepick said:
Mod-Chip said:
The amount of white privilege in this thread is astounding.

How am I acting privileged when I feel the job should go to the best man, even if it wasn't me, it sure as hell wasn't the guy they went with.

So to get things straight

My view towards treating everyone equally, that's me being racist
Giving handouts to people because of the colour of their skin, thats.. justice?

Yes, it's justice. Nevermind than black unemployment, crime, and just about ever other negative statistic is higher than it's ever been since the passing of the civil rights act of 1964. Nevermind that government action (slavery, jim crow) has always been what hinders people of color. Nevermind that Asians (another minority) coming from countries with similar poverty issues as Mexico or Africa do better without any government assistance.

Nevermind that, it's justice.
 
Eyebrowsbv31 said:
C_nate said:
You can't be serious. This first article I clicked on he manages to mention Nazis and Ayn Rand among other things. What a load of horseshit. I've seen kids in elementary school argue with better logic than this guy.

SO you look at one article and because this fellow, who is a libertarian, mentions national socialism and ayn rand IT'S ALL f****** HORSESHIT.

Wow. Tell me, what type of liberal arts degree do you have?

So if I went through and read all of those articles, I would find a well balanced and reasonable discussion of the topics? Or would I just find yet another blog of extreme right wing nutjob rantings and hyperbole from a genius who doesn't know the difference between socialism and fascism? Yes, it is all horseshit. All of it. I don't need to read every single one to know that he will just regurgitate the same type of logic over and over again because that is the mindset of the fringe paranoids. I've been hearing the same shit every day for three years from these assholes and the country has yet to implode. Guess they are full of shit after all. Horseshit.

The reason political discourse in the country is impossible now is due to assholes like this who frame every argument in the most extreme and childish ways possible. He actually used the Robin Hood argument. "Hey, if I kicked you in the nuts and took you wallet but then used that money to buy a homeless dude a Bigmac, even though my intentions were good, I'm still a thief and a criminal, right?" Awesome logic there. Ranks up there with the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" way of framing your argument.

Oh, and I guess you missed earlier in the thread where I mentioned I don't have a degree. Guess I'm a welfare recipient just waiting to happen, huh?
 
C_nate said:
Eyebrowsbv31 said:
C_nate said:
You can't be serious. This first article I clicked on he manages to mention Nazis and Ayn Rand among other things. What a load of horseshit. I've seen kids in elementary school argue with better logic than this guy.

SO you look at one article and because this fellow, who is a libertarian, mentions national socialism and ayn rand IT'S ALL f****** HORSESHIT.

Wow. Tell me, what type of liberal arts degree do you have?

So if I went through and read all of those articles, I would find a well balanced and reasonable discussion of the topics? Or would I just find yet another blog of extreme right wing nutjob rantings and hyperbole from a genius who doesn't know the difference between socialism and fascism? Yes, it is all horseshit. All of it. I don't need to read every single one to know that he will just regurgitate the same type of logic over and over again because that is the mindset of the fringe paranoids. I've been hearing the same s*** every day for three years from these assholes and the country has yet to implode. Guess they are full of s*** after all. Horseshit.

The reason political discourse in the country is impossible now is due to assholes like this who frame every argument in the most extreme and childish ways possible. He actually used the Robin Hood argument. "Hey, if I kicked you in the nuts and took you wallet but then used that money to buy a homeless dude a Bigmac, even though my intentions were good, I'm still a thief and a criminal, right?" Awesome logic there. Ranks up there with the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" way of framing your argument.

Oh, and I guess you missed earlier in the thread where I mentioned I don't have a degree. Guess I'm a welfare recipient just waiting to happen, huh?

Actually, he is still a thief, but no one would care about ten bucks from some guy kicked in the nuts.

Now if I killed a man who was a known rapist, I should go to jail because I killed a man. The law SHOULD work that way because, even if it was a good intention, it was still a misuse of power that takes the law into my own hands.

All of that romantic notion of vigilante justice and what not, its still bad in a real context basically, so in that instance this guy is right, although I would have framed the argument a LOT better.
 
I don't get it, where does a liberal arts degree come into any of this?

Also extreme-scenario arguments are masturbatory and impertinent. That's why Richard Dawkins is a dumb fuck.

I don't remember who wrote what concerning anything I referenced, so please don't take offense. I haven't been on a message board in a while so I'm rediscovering what it feels like to shout things into the ether.
 
LinksOcarina said:
C_nate said:
Eyebrowsbv31 said:
C_nate said:
You can't be serious. This first article I clicked on he manages to mention Nazis and Ayn Rand among other things. What a load of horseshit. I've seen kids in elementary school argue with better logic than this guy.

SO you look at one article and because this fellow, who is a libertarian, mentions national socialism and ayn rand IT'S ALL f****** HORSESHIT.

Wow. Tell me, what type of liberal arts degree do you have?

So if I went through and read all of those articles, I would find a well balanced and reasonable discussion of the topics? Or would I just find yet another blog of extreme right wing nutjob rantings and hyperbole from a genius who doesn't know the difference between socialism and fascism? Yes, it is all horseshit. All of it. I don't need to read every single one to know that he will just regurgitate the same type of logic over and over again because that is the mindset of the fringe paranoids. I've been hearing the same s*** every day for three years from these assholes and the country has yet to implode. Guess they are full of s*** after all. Horseshit.

The reason political discourse in the country is impossible now is due to assholes like this who frame every argument in the most extreme and childish ways possible. He actually used the Robin Hood argument. "Hey, if I kicked you in the nuts and took you wallet but then used that money to buy a homeless dude a Bigmac, even though my intentions were good, I'm still a thief and a criminal, right?" Awesome logic there. Ranks up there with the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" way of framing your argument.

Oh, and I guess you missed earlier in the thread where I mentioned I don't have a degree. Guess I'm a welfare recipient just waiting to happen, huh?

Actually, he is still a thief, but no one would care about ten bucks from some guy kicked in the nuts.

Now if I killed a man who was a known rapist, I should go to jail because I killed a man. The law SHOULD work that way because, even if it was a good intention, it was still a misuse of power that takes the law into my own hands.

All of that romantic notion of vigilante justice and what not, its still bad in a real context basically, so in that instance this guy is right, although I would have framed the argument a LOT better.

Yeah, but the analogy that genius was trying to make was the guy that was kicking you in the nuts isn't just a guy, he is the government . He's not taking 10 bucks, he's taking your life savings. And he's not giving it to someone in need, he's giving it a freeloader that doesn't deserve it and is just too stupid to realize it.

It's easy to win an argument when you frame the discussion in such a way as to make the opposition look to be in the wrong regardless of answer or action which is exactly what that is all about.
 
That's the point of the article nate. Also, as I said before the man is a libertarian, which is pretty damn far away from the far right as you can get. Legalizing abortion, gay rights, every leftist social dream agenda we support, whilst also covering the bases fiscally.

And didn't your mother ever tell you to not judge a book by it's cover? You looked at one article and dismissed the whole thing. Pretty shoddy.

Try this one as he uses stats to detail how more africans americans have been killed by other blacks than in all US wars and all reported lynchings during the 1800-1900s combined.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns052312.php3

Or this one on how the MSM ignores black on black crime:
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns041112.php3

Or try Thomas sowell, who, as you mentioned socialism and fascism, has an article on both right now!
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp

(btw, I actually think it's fantastic you avoided college, what a crock of shit higher education is, seriously)
 
Here is my problem with that guy. He sits there and parrots numbers and statistics but doesn't do anything with them. He doesn't elaborate the whos whats wheres and whys. The numbers are meaningless without context.

Why is black on black crime up? He offers no insight and instead goes off on a paranoid tangent about black on white hate crimes that are being covered up. What the hell does that have to do with what he was just talking about in the previous paragraph? Absolutely nothing.

As I said, I live in Chicago. Homicides are up a whopping 50% compared to the same time last year. Many of them are young black and hispanic men. Also, the majority of the homicides are gang related.

Gangs are a huge problem in the city. They have literally taken over some poor neighborhoods in the city. The gangs are like weeds, if you don't pull them up by the roots they will just keep coming back. You need to keep kids from joining gangs but some of them are born into crushing poverty and hopeless situations. They have some of the worst public schools in the nation and don't have the same chance at a quality education that a kid growing up in Oak Park or Evanston will get and they see a gang as the only way out. How do you change this? Where do gangs make most of their money? Selling drugs is a big one. Maybe legalizing weed, taxing and selling it would put a huge dent in gangs and their ability to operate.

See how situations are much more complex than just saying, "black guys kill each other a lot and here are some numbers to prove it."

Also, some of the things he writes is just flat out completely false and no different than the race baiting he accuses others of. In the first article he writes about "the pushing of a 57-year-old woman off a train platform" as a racist attack. That happened here in Chicago. The guy grabbed a iphone off of someone and as he was trying to make his get away he ran into the woman on the stairs, knocking her down which led to her unfortunate death. A racist attack? Hardly. But hey, it sounds good when trying to make his point right? Whether or not it is true or false is secondary.

Here is another one from his second article: "Last summer, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing white families." Absolutely completely fabricated. There was a group of kids doing flash mob type of muggings on people to steal their gadgets (iphones, ipads, laptops) yes they were black. Their victims were anyone who had gadgets. This guy though turns it into a harrowing tale of race attacks that shut down the beaches. Never happened.

Lastly, his assertion that the main stream media ignores these types of things (a theme common with right wingers) is so far off base I can't even think of anything witty enough to call it other then outright bs.

Here is a link to an article on the Huffington Post in the Chicago section (which I'm sure you would agree is left leaning) about an off duty cop that was shot. The article mentions some of the gang problems that I was talking about above. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... ef=chicago
Check the Chicago section again after this weekend and I can almost guarantee you they will have an article detailing the latest body count of yet another violent weekend. To say this stuff is hidden is just flat out silly.

Where libertarian's lose me is when they start talking about abolishing government or getting rid of all regulations. Do you honestly believe you can trust mega corporations to behave themselves and not, say, dump toxic sludge into the Chicago river like they used to? There needs to be some system in place to keep them honest. Checks and balances and all that...

Well, one thing we can agree on is that college (for the most part) is for suckers.
 
he does actually go into details on how to fix issues; these articles are about how the MSM ignores the REAL issues whilst blaming it on whtie racism. There will always be racism, but it hasn't been the problem for a couple of decades now.

if you read some of his books, he does clearly lay out ways to deal with these issues in a economic and somewhat libertarian way.


Also, about that : I've had a few talks with nick about that (it's always about toxic waste, funnily enough), but yes, that is the OBVIOUS stuff. But when you have countries like England banning clown shoes for Health and safety reasons, well, that's where we are heading. Hybrid systems are always best (we are a constitutional republic, for example), and some government is required.

At the heart of everything is education of course, first step: get rid of the department of education, allow schools to compete for students, and instead of having parents pay taxes for said school give them those taxes as a voucher to be used to pay for a school of their choice.

I think John Stossel has a good video on the state of education in this country, really highlights how stupid we are compared to western europe. And, finally, we need to break this stupid elitism in this country that says college is good and vocational school is bad. We need more electricians, plumbers, and mechanics, the jobs pay well and are fairly honest. There is no shame in honest work, yet our society looks down on it.

To say the HuffPuff post is left leaning is like saying the grand canyon is small. probably the hardest left rag in the country, right next to the NYT.
 
Eyebrowsbv31 said:
Also, about that : I've had a few talks with nick about that (it's always about toxic waste, funnily enough), but yes, that is the OBVIOUS stuff. But when you have countries like England banning clown shoes for Health and safety reasons, well, that's where we are heading. Hybrid systems are always best (we are a constitutional republic, for example), and some government is required.

It would be nice but I think at this point politically any kind of compromise is seen as a weakness. No one is willing to budge on anything so we're always stuck with one extreme or another.

Eyebrowsbv31 said:
At the heart of everything is education of course

I think John Stossel has a good video on the state of education in this country, really highlights how stupid we are compared to western europe. And, finally, we need to break this stupid elitism in this country that says college is good and vocational school is bad. We need more electricians, plumbers, and mechanics, the jobs pay well and are fairly honest. There is no shame in honest work, yet our society looks down on it.
I'm with you on these 100%.

Eyebrowsbv31 said:
To say the HuffPuff post is left leaning is like saying the grand canyon is small. probably the hardest left rag in the country, right next to the NYT.
Which is why I used it to prove my point that there is no super secret media conspiracy to cover up certain crimes.
 
I am a member of what is possibly the smallest minority group out in these United States.

I agree with Icepick that Affirmative Action is a crock of shit. At the time it was introduced it was a novel idea however the gloss has worn off. It now makes for unqualified individuals in skill positions.

If there were mechanics all offering to change your brakes for free who would you want to do it?

The hispanic fresh out of school all eager and clumsy?
The old black dude that fixes everyone's cars around the block?
The white guy sporting a mullet that wears his coveralls to the dinner table?
The little asian that looks like he can fit inside the glove box?
The middle eastern that smells odd and sounds like a bad stereotype?

What the hell does it matter what color they are? It doesn't. What matters is how good they are at their job.

Criminals are idiots. Poverty creates a breeding ground for stupid criminals. I say stupid criminals because there are just as many successful criminals in the world. The ones who don't get caught. The ones who steal millions of dollars from taxpayers and claim they need it to support their lifestyle.

I call shenanigans on any "minority" who claims that "The Man" is holding them back. I am not white. I was born into and am still living below the accepted poverty line.

Not once have never once been held back from anything that I truly wanted due to the color of my skin.

There are assholes everywhere in every shade. I applaud those of you "colorless" folks that have the balls to call bullshit on "discrimination" and affirmative action. I say repeal the goddamn thing and let us all reap the benefits of the most qualified individuals working in their chosen fields.
 
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C_nate said:
As I said, I live in Chicago. Homicides are up a whopping 50% compared to the same time last year. Many of them are young black and hispanic men. Also, the majority of the homicides are gang related.

Gangs are a huge problem in the city. They have literally taken over some poor neighborhoods in the city. The gangs are like weeds, if you don't pull them up by the roots they will just keep coming back. You need to keep kids from joining gangs but some of them are born into crushing poverty and hopeless situations. They have some of the worst public schools in the nation and don't have the same chance at a quality education that a kid growing up in Oak Park or Evanston will get and they see a gang as the only way out.

I've lived in the Antelope Valley (Palmdale, Lancaster) for 15 years or so now. When we moved here, it was a quiet community. There were few gangs here, and most weren't a real problem. The biggest industry out here was (is) aerospace, and almost everyone who lived here was in some way tied to that industry, so most people were decent enough means wise to avoid problems.

Los Angeles on the other hand, is not a cool place. Statistics look bad inside the city limits, so they hatch a plan to change them up. Yeah, they are still responsible for these numbers, but if they are outside city limits, who cares.

So, first they start paroling child molesters out here. Then they start moving Section 8 applicants to the front of the line if they want to come out here. People, eager to leave their various neighborhoods in decline, move out here in abundance. The problem is, a lot of them bring bad seeds with them.

Suddenly neighborhoods up here aren't so safe, schools become more and more burdened, clogged with kids causing trouble. Best of all, some start bringing their gang mentalities and lifestyle with them. The problem spreads, and it becomes a real issue. For a few weeks, LACD flooded the streets with cops, and I mean flooded, they were everywhere. It brought about a drop in crime, but it also showed that more and more of our criminals were arriving here via Section 8.

So the cities start doing investigations of these properties, and due to the risk being posed to the investigator at times, with a Sheriff escort. What happens? They get accused of racism, NAACP jumps in the fray with a lawsuit.

The problem is, and will continue to be, that when a ghetto-like environment is created, any attempts to intervene are often deemed racist immediately. These communities, even if it is the minority, continue to embrace and enable the trouble that surrounds them, and most are happy enough to point the finger elsewhere for blame.

Responsibility is the problem with most of this country nowadays. Mostly how nobody has any.
 

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