Obama vs McCain!
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Chris_Crime
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yeah, I knew that didn't sound right! I had a hard time believing America couldn't eat the cost for 2.5 million myself. But it's closer to 250 million! America has about 250 million more people than Canada.
now about that education system... >_<
I totally screwed that up
(but in a way that backs my point even further )
now about that education system... >_<
I totally screwed that up
(but in a way that backs my point even further )
Tylzen
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Most American politicians that would be called socialists in America would be regarded as conservative in Europe.
Obama is conservative, but not in the same amount as McCain.
European Countries:
I would agree at some point that our taxes here in DK (We just took the world record from Sweden)
My father who is an Ophthalmologist has also said that US has the best doctors and best treatments, since the high wages and low taxes make the best want to go there. But the problem is that very few can have any good of this superioror healthcare.
I would rather have good free healthcare, than the best, very expensive healthcare.
Right now we are having major strikes, nurses and those who take care of our children, they want 15% more in salary. They get $ 5200 a month before tax.
But the employeers will only give 12.8% like all the rest got.
Changes take times, even decades, and I don't get why Americans are so afraid of having a president run more than 2 terms, they are not the only one with the limt, but I can't see how this could be so bad if you have a democracy that works. If the president is truly great and popular, why not have him run the country as long as he wants.
Here our Premiere Minister is on his third term, and might perhaps take a fourth, even though rumours has linked him to the Presidental post in the European Union.
Obama will not be able to change America into an utopia, but he can start the process, the sad thing would be that the republicans could reverse this process if they got in office after his first or second term was up.
They have a tendency to destroy each others work.
Obama is conservative, but not in the same amount as McCain.
European Countries:
I would agree at some point that our taxes here in DK (We just took the world record from Sweden)
My father who is an Ophthalmologist has also said that US has the best doctors and best treatments, since the high wages and low taxes make the best want to go there. But the problem is that very few can have any good of this superioror healthcare.
I would rather have good free healthcare, than the best, very expensive healthcare.
Right now we are having major strikes, nurses and those who take care of our children, they want 15% more in salary. They get $ 5200 a month before tax.
But the employeers will only give 12.8% like all the rest got.
Changes take times, even decades, and I don't get why Americans are so afraid of having a president run more than 2 terms, they are not the only one with the limt, but I can't see how this could be so bad if you have a democracy that works. If the president is truly great and popular, why not have him run the country as long as he wants.
Here our Premiere Minister is on his third term, and might perhaps take a fourth, even though rumours has linked him to the Presidental post in the European Union.
Obama will not be able to change America into an utopia, but he can start the process, the sad thing would be that the republicans could reverse this process if they got in office after his first or second term was up.
They have a tendency to destroy each others work.
BigZell2020
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All I know is, I've been alive (or atleast can remember) 2 presidencies so far. Both terms of Bill Clinton, and both terms of George W. Bush. And in my comparison of the two, Clinton ruled and Bush sucked. I remember being 15 years old and having ample amounts of jobs to choose from, like places putting ads in the paper they needed help so bad. And now since Bush has been president, that has all subsided greatly...I just got my degree and had to resort to my summer work home because I could not find a job in my field... so I am stuck working in hell until the economy picks up and places start hiring like they one did way back when.
Eyebrowsbv31
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Tylzen, what is in your mind that is making you think Obama is some sort of saint? He isn't. I really think that you've just bought in to whatever your news source is about the guy, but here in the United States politicians are not to be trusted. And on the matter of the two terms thing it was an unofficial law set by George Washington and later made official by Truman, it's to prevent a Dictatorship sort of feeling. If one person holds power for too long, they become corrupt, and the enemy of liberty is corruption and power (this is what the founders thought back then).
To Zell: Bill Clinton HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA'S GROWTH IN THE 90's. Yes it was a great time for jobs and such, but you guys can't seem to get it through your skulls that all sorts of shit happened in the 1990's such as the computer, gaming, and internet revolution, bringing about greatness and so forth. If Clinton was such a great president, the republicans wouldn't have swept congress in the mid 90's. You guys all have this collective huge chubby for the guy just because hehappened to be on the throne when other guys made shit happen. The only decent thing Clinton did in office was to get impeached, and even then he didn't have the honor to resign, give Al Gore his time in office to show what he could do and take the presidency in 2000.
Bush on the other had was elected in the mist of a recession (which started at the end of Clinton's term)because of the dot com bubble burst. Within months 2 planes crashed into the World Trade Center, and because of stupidity amongst Bush and his cabinet, the CIA, the FBI, and Congress we started a war that's crippled our economy and got a bunch of people killed.
In terms of jobs, I have to ask what your degree is in. I live in a dead city and there are good jobs everywhere to be had. Right now they're hiring guys with Assoc. degrees in electrical engineering (2 year college) and starting them at 60k a year.
To Zell: Bill Clinton HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA'S GROWTH IN THE 90's. Yes it was a great time for jobs and such, but you guys can't seem to get it through your skulls that all sorts of shit happened in the 1990's such as the computer, gaming, and internet revolution, bringing about greatness and so forth. If Clinton was such a great president, the republicans wouldn't have swept congress in the mid 90's. You guys all have this collective huge chubby for the guy just because hehappened to be on the throne when other guys made shit happen. The only decent thing Clinton did in office was to get impeached, and even then he didn't have the honor to resign, give Al Gore his time in office to show what he could do and take the presidency in 2000.
Bush on the other had was elected in the mist of a recession (which started at the end of Clinton's term)because of the dot com bubble burst. Within months 2 planes crashed into the World Trade Center, and because of stupidity amongst Bush and his cabinet, the CIA, the FBI, and Congress we started a war that's crippled our economy and got a bunch of people killed.
In terms of jobs, I have to ask what your degree is in. I live in a dead city and there are good jobs everywhere to be had. Right now they're hiring guys with Assoc. degrees in electrical engineering (2 year college) and starting them at 60k a year.
Eyesbrows, are you one of those Republicans who will only vote Republican, regardless of the candidate, thinking all Democrats are evil?
Or are you a Democrat who is disgruntled by Clinton?
Or are you an independent?
One good thing I'll say about Clinton, is he was the closest the middle east as ever been to peace. Ask Kaanchtoofan about that one. If he had have been in office for four more years, there's a good chance much of the fighting would not be happening today.
Or are you a Democrat who is disgruntled by Clinton?
Or are you an independent?
One good thing I'll say about Clinton, is he was the closest the middle east as ever been to peace. Ask Kaanchtoofan about that one. If he had have been in office for four more years, there's a good chance much of the fighting would not be happening today.
Eyebrowsbv31
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LetheanDreams said:
None of them. I'm a conservative with no love for the republicans and no love for the democrats. The closest thing I can think of that matches me is teddy Roosevelt, the bull moose party. My biggest problem with the democrats is that they have no sense of decency or honor; Clinton got impeached, yet they let him off the hook. If Bob Dole did what Clinton did he would have been nailed to the cross, impeached, tried, and thrown in jail. I really can't support a party that gets away with blatant lying (see Ted Kennedy, LBJ, Hillary Clinton) and flip flopping on every little issue (John Kerry). While the Republicans do lie all the time, when they get caught they get in trouble. Not so for a democrat.
By the way, if we were so close to peace in the middle east why did the USS Cole get bombed? Why did WTC happen? We did not stick our noses fully up the middle eastern ass until after WTC was brought down, Clinton wasn't close to anything. All right, fine, in '93 he could have arrested Osama Bin Laden and thrown him in prison, but being the big appeaser that he is he let him off.
Eyebrowsbv31 said:
Yeah except Afghanistan is not part of the middle east. Recently, Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan have been listed as middle east on more than one occasion but for argument's sake, were not part of it (save for maybe Iran) back in the 90s, and Pakistan and Afghanistan still are not part of it. I should also note by peace in the middle east, I mean between the Muslims and the Jews.
Also note, I have no love for Clinton. I also have no love for Bush Jr. I think there needs to be a President who is diplomatic, and also not afraid to use force. This is where I like Obama. He is not afraid to send troops to Pakistan and Afghanistan to finish off what was started in the latter, and to get out the Al Qaeda or Taliban hiding out in Pakistan, while at the same time being completely willing to sit down and let diplomatic actions go forth with Iran.
The biggest fault of many, many people is they assume that Obama is saying "I just want to talk. I will never consider arms." I'm pretty certain if he wants to go into Afghanistan and finish that off, he isn't afraid to shove if Iran pushes.
As for economics, well I don't know a whole lot about the economic front. I focus more on the global theater in terms of international relations and diplomacy. I can't even begin to debate that one.
Sidenote on Clinton: I firmly believe he is a big reason why the Mogadishu incident made famous by Black Hawk Down happened the way it did. The mission was a success, but it could have gone a hell of a lot better if Clinton had shown the support the brass wanted him to.
GhostTrip
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Of course, you all know that politicans will say anything to win over the crowd and get votes.
This is why the majority of the youth do not vote and why I believe McCain will win.
Then again, Bill Clinton won over Bush Sr. because the democrats really pushed the youth into voting. I can remember seeing Chris Cornell of Soundgarden doing a commercial on MTV telling viewers if they're over 18, they can and should vote for change. It was in a special on TV that also featured an interview Clinton did with a young crowd talking about how he didn't inhale and then laughing with the crowd.
However, that was back in 92. System of a Down, Micheal Moore and Eminem couldn't convince the youth to vote 4 years ago.
This is why the majority of the youth do not vote and why I believe McCain will win.
Then again, Bill Clinton won over Bush Sr. because the democrats really pushed the youth into voting. I can remember seeing Chris Cornell of Soundgarden doing a commercial on MTV telling viewers if they're over 18, they can and should vote for change. It was in a special on TV that also featured an interview Clinton did with a young crowd talking about how he didn't inhale and then laughing with the crowd.
However, that was back in 92. System of a Down, Micheal Moore and Eminem couldn't convince the youth to vote 4 years ago.
Eyebrowsbv31
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GhostTrip said:
That and Ross Peroe took 18% of the vote I believe, mostly republicans.
And Leathan: Osama was in the Sudan and then in with the Saudis at the time, not in Afganistan, listen to this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk& ... re=related
Crappy video, but no one can find the newscast it was on.
King_Arthur
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sparky87 said:
LMAO Im with you
joe_1209 said:
Which is really stupid. It's basically like saying "I'm taking my ball and going home - I didn't get my way." They want troops out of Iraq, McCain doesn't. They're willing to allow more US soldiers to die for a war they want to end, simply because their candidate didn't secure the nomination. Obama is more like Clinton in terms of policies than McCain is.
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