Obama vs McCain!

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Who will win?

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  1. Tylzen

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    Hillary has officialy withdrawn now.

    So the run is against Obama and McCain? So who will win do you think?

    It hope that Obama will win, and I think he has a good chance.
     
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  2. Lateralus

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    I as well, but we don't live in America... Why is it so important to us?
     
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    Because America is such a huge economy and culture.
    What they do affect Europe a lot .
    Plus I hope that Obama can restore America, so it will again be a glorious country.
    Most Europeans that I can know, have lost "respect" for America since 2002.
     
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    I hope Americans want a president that won't continue Bush's train.
     
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  5. Lethean

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    I think Obama will win, but it will take some hard work. The months of in party bickering between Dems did do some damage, but nothing that can't be repaired.
     
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    How will he restore America? His ideas are the same as Hillary's and stick to the guidelines of the big book of democrat rules, written 1963. The only "change" is the fact that he's a black man with a good voice. The only thing that will happen with him in power is a crippled healthcare plan (congress loves red tape) and Iraq being left in total Chaos. Richard Nixon pulled out of Vietnam in the same way Obama wants to pull out of Iraq, going to get a lot of men killed. I know a lot of you folks here are democrats, but guess what? Your shit don't work. Both parties suck.

    Ty, I don't think you realize that in the United States when the democrats are in power there is high taxes without all the social benefits your country has.

    McCain is an old cog that has no new ideas and is a bad mix of liberal ideas and conservative ideas. He'll get in office and do the same shit Bush did for another 4 years but with a little more attention to social problems. He'll be a bad President. better type this in bold so Stal doesn' go ape shit: The republicans suck, they'll do a bad job.


    So How about a vote for "Whomever wins, we lose."
     
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    If Mccain wins I'm moving to Canada. GO DEMOCRATS!!
     
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    I honestly like both of them, both of them are good people, but they both want our borders to be less protected. I live in texas, and pretty soon everyone here is going to be mexican. I am a republican, but if I had to vote, I would vote for Obama just because we need a black person in office for a change. It will look good to other countries and make our country seem more diverse.
     
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    ^this is why letting the masses decide things is dangerous.
     
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    ^haha, no kidding.

    did anyone notice she didnt end her campaign, she "suspended" it?
     
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    EyeBrow: I know, and that is also why I hope that Obama will change.
    USA is corrupt, there is a lot of lobbyism going on too.
    Too much, weird projects gets million $ fundings because of lobbyism, money that would be better served in the school system or healthcare.

    I am not a red socialist, I am actually a liberalist and a capatalist.
    And I do know that if you don't have a healthy state, and a good educational system, the entire country will not run smoothly.

    Americans do not have high taxes :p What they call high taxes are mediocre taxes here :p
    Same with gas prices! :)
    America is very cheap, people even fly from Europe to go SHOPPING in America.
     
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    dude, taxes are really low in America compared to many European countries. There are a few where taxes approach 80%. That's how they pay for all their social benefits.
     
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    The point i'm making is that under Obama expect taxes in the 40% range with the same gas prices and less social aid.
     
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    Except in Europe these taxes are better managed. Check out Sweden, Norway, and Denmark (lowest Gini coefficient, Tylzen must be proud). All run by parties in the moderate left wing, and all super steady. It's too bad that the idea of a welfare state or a social democracy would make most folks tremble.

    I don't know if the US Democrats classify as a moderate left party, and don't know if social democracy is in Obama's mind. But the Republican administration has been disapointing. So no McCain.
     
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    less social aid? how is that possible? what makes you think that all the increases in healthcare, education, etc. that the democrats promise will lead to less social aid.
     
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    i will get into this more later, right now im drained mentally, but I am going for Obama
     
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  17. Lethean

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    KEEP AMERICA WHITE!

    Good luck on that. It's a lot easier said than done to immigrate to another country. Trust me.
     
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    Clinton promised it, we never got it. The only education fix we got was Ted Kennedy's terrible "No child left behind" act (which everyone blames on Bush).

    It'll never make it through Congress Nick is what I'm saying. Look at how corrupt welfare is, you really think that stuff won't be abused? healthcare is another issue all together, you want to pay taxes to insure illegal immigrants(who don't pay taxes and account for 10 million of the 47 million uninsured)? Little secret: Canada's elite (including politicians) have been busted several times running to America for healthcare, because it is far superior. Not to mention the fact that each country with universal healthcare does not have the large population(unless you combine them) or immigration problems we have.

    I'd like to see a federal law that makes it illegal for a hospital to deny people because they don't have health insurance, that would be a good start, as it is one of the many quibbles in the debate that can be easily fixed.
     
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    ^ The new president will inherit the problems of the last presidency. Follow the trail throughout our presidential history, it's always been that way. Little secret: most illegals pay taxes even though they don't have to, even though they'll collect no social security when they retire.

    When it comes to other countries, I'm almost certain that our neighbors will find something wrong with whomever we vote into the White House.

    Because both candidates want the Raccoon City border less protected, pretty soon everyone will be Zombie. Yep, you'll become a Zombie. That's how it works.

    "It will look good to other counties and make our country seem more diverse."
    This may only empower the Zombies... But you know us! We're the first to stand up and grandstand, to 'right a wrong' and 'fight for what's right', but we'll be the last to put those ideals into action. That statement is what America is all about.

    Something most of you see to always forget is that America houses many, many millions more people than other countries. Take Canada for example [Canada has built up a tough hide from me skewering them over the years -- me!]. Even though Canada is roughly about the same size as America (work with me, people), it's home to over 2.5 million less people.
    Now imagine an even smaller country for comparison. America may have their values up their ass, but, you know, more money, more problems. rip Biggie
    It's something to think about before setting America up for comparison with other counties is all I'm saying. And, of course, free health care isn't free.

    I want Obama to win because he's black. tsk tsk
     
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    Uhhh, 2.5 million....closer to 2.8....
     
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