Tragedy in Aurora during Dark Knight Rises midnight showing

[Wes]

Hey cool, a gun control topic on the internet. Who would have thought that I could find a place where some people think that getting rid of guns would keep people from shooting each other and other people think that making sure everybody has a gun will keep people from shooting each other. Americans are calling people of other nationalities idiots and people of other nationalities are calling Americans idiots.

Maybe if we're really lucky someone can throw in that Ben Franklin nugget about how people who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

Gifted Monkey is a good example on why people don't care. Good job dude, continue to inspire apathy into our lives! Our lives as in, the ones who haven't been shot.

 

[Optimus-Crime]

Hey, guys, maybe he thought he was Bane.

 

[madster111]

If he was unable to get a gun he would've still acted out, like you said, he would have used what was available.

He wanted to kill as many people as possible.

If he had no gun, he would've walked into the theater with a bomb.

Banning guns doesn't stop gun violence, and it doesn't stop violence in general.

If you want an example of what banning guns does, look at Australia. The massacre in Tasmania by a dude with an AR-15 is what caused us to have current strict gun laws, and it's currently dangerous to walk around places of Sydney at night because you could be caught in the crossfire of a gang fire fight or stabbed or bashed by a group of 5-10 teens.

Spree killers are fairly new for humans, and yes it's mostly due to guns. Unfortunately, IEDs are also fairly new for humans.

The wounded are actually lucky the killer was able to access a gun. Because if he wasn't, he would have filled 2 buckets with nails and put 1 in the theater and 1 by the exit, set to go off 20 seconds later.

 

[NickKmet]

Gun control is a very sensitive issue in this country, but I'm all for a ban on assault rifles. Get that passed and so begins the trickle down, you would hope, but Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation and ranks among the top in gun violence. What's the endgame in selling gas canisters to the public?

The one problem with the whole "look at chicago, gun bans don't work" argument is that people who live in Chicago are not incapable of leaving chicago and buying their guns somewhere else. the effectiveness of weapons bans can only be determined when it becomes impossible for someone to drive 10 minutes out of a particular jurisdiction to acquire them.

 

[Silios]

I know you're trying to make a point Madster, and I agree with you on some level. But I don't think posting the ingredient list for a bomb is an effective tactic right now. Especially right now in the current political climate we live in.

And believe me, I know you can find this out by a quick google search. I'm not a mod so I don't have authority on making this call, but if it was me I'd ask you to edit that out simply because the unwanted attention it could bring to this site. This isn't exactly a "private" message board.

 

[madster111]

And believe me, I know you can find this out by a quick google search.

Not even a google search. This info is on TV shows and in some movies. The making of bomb vests is in the plot of Act of Valor, where they advise using ceramic ball bearings to get past metal detectors.

I didn't even check out wiki for the gunpowder - it's in so much american culture in the form of TV shows/movies/books that i already knew the recipe, although wiki advises 75% nitrate and 10% sulfur and i always figured it was a slightly more even mix with slightly more charcoal.

If you used all of the info you can find on google (or even just wiki) you can make RDX, but that's pretty hardcore even for me.

 

[Wes]

If he had no gun, he would've walked into the theater with a bomb.

Which aisle are the bombs in? Is there a section for nuclear warheads too?

Banning guns doesn't stop gun violence, and it doesn't stop violence in general.

Yeah, I've already said three times it won't stop every single act of gun violence. Thanks for paying attention....

If you want an example of what banning guns does, look at Australia.

Let me stop you right there and do that with a quick google search. BRB





Oh look...


http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/news/news ... 061214.php

"From 1996 to 2003, the total number of gun deaths each year fell from 521 to 289, suggesting that the removal of more than 700,000 guns was associated with a faster declining rate of gun suicide and gun homicide," said adjunct associate professor Philip Alpers, also from the School of Public Health at the University of Sydney. "This was a milestone public health and safety issue, driven by an overwhelming swing in public opinion, and promptly delivered by governments."

Thanks for the info.


And why the fuck are you talking about building a bomb? Jesus....

 

[Optimus-Crime]

I get that gun control is bigger than Chicago alone but this is where the detractors are going to point and I wanted to make note of that. Why not raise the price on ammo? Because that could be considered war on capitalism. Going in, you're knowing you're about to fight one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the country with gun control. daunting task.

And all Madster's done is highlight my original point. The information is there, even if you don't want it. It's hitting you in the face and you really don't have a choice in the matter. I hadn't expected to find a bomb recipe, and certainly not in this thread. Not to sound like the curmudgeonly old man in the room, but today's definition of cool is pretty fucked up.
That's what I meant by the kid's not a psycho, he's just a dick. He wanted to be remembered canonically as it pertains to the Batman movie release, that means he's seeking a level of notoriety or infamy. Legitimately crazy people aren't interested in fame because fame denotes a sense of self which denotes a sense of surroundings, and none of that suggests "crazy."

Madster's not a psycho. He's just a dick! Our generation is good at being a dick. I mean, dude, we're the best. In our busy work-a-day lives, we can find the time to be a dick. I have enough dicks in my own backyard. I don't need a dick from Australia inundating me with more dicks. But that's what it is. As soon as you get online - THWAP - dicks everywhere.
Are you on 4chan? Automatic dick. Posting in a thread, any thread? Any Dick. Couldn't you be chopping firewood? Nope. Don't you have dinner to hunt? Nope. Some plague you could be dying from? Nope.
And if you don't think you're a dick, go ask someone who's old. Just see what they have to say to you. They're absolutely going to say you're a dick. They don't even have to know you, just pull out your smartphone, and, "Dick."
We're a generation of dicks. We do shit like that because we're a dick. We're Generation Dick.

 

[BlackStar]

Chris it's about God damn time you got your ass back here.


As an American living in Canada I will say that Ontario is WAAAAAAAAY more safer than NYC. As if any of you would actually think that CANADA would be more dangerous than New York.

Now I'll be honest, I lived in Queens, I didn't roll with any gangsters but I knew a lot of people who had guns. Up here, only one person I know here has a gun, and he's a hunter. I asked him if it was for protection and he laughed. I mean Canadians like to think they're better than the USA, ugh, believe me, apparently being patriotic in Canada is a bunch of pretentious white people making fun of America.

I was already pre-programmed by Michael Moore to assume Canada was some magical place where everyone heads flapped up and down..... no wait, that's Terrance and Philip.

But I gotta say, people aren't scared of each other up here.

And it just feels, well, safe.












But we can group this argument into two categories.

First you've got Batman

Batman is a vigilante, fights for truth and justice. But he doesn't carry a gun, he also doesn't kill people....



Then you've got Iron Man

This guy uses all kinds of guns and weapons. And I'm pretty sure he's killed a few people However he's also a good guy and protects the innocent.



Oh, but don't forget Wolverine

The guy's a Canadian and he's more violent and savage than the two of them put together.



While we're at it, let's also throw in Power Girl

Holy crap those are some massive titties...


Wait, what the hell was I talking about again????

 

[BlackStar]

OH YEAH! Guns!


I don't know how more guns stops gun violence. Wouldn't that increase it? I learned that if you add more of what you have, you'll have... more of it. And if you take it away, you have less.


It's called math.

Less guns means less gun violence. More guns means more gun violence.

 

[Optimus-Crime]

I agree. Power Girl has some massive titties.

 

[NickKmet]

Must be terrible on the back.

 

[danielrbischoff]

I agree. Power Girl has some massive titties.

 

[Sightless]

Optimus-Crime: He's just like us, except we don't plan on killing people tonight (do you? oh shit). I understand backing away from shoving people aside as having "mental illness" of some or any kind, but it's no more useful to equate them with people who don't actually behave in the same way. Sure there are similarities, but I'm not sure that they're striking.

Guns aren't the worst possible weapon to use, so it's okay.

Worst argument ever.

 

[Optimus-Crime]

Looking back a few years later, Heath Ledger's "online Joker cult" seems all the scarier, or, at least, all the more disturbing. Sainthood to the drug using anti-hero? But that's our generation at work. It worked out pretty well for Kurt Cobain's (estate). Edgy, cool, stupid as fuck - all of the above.
Madster's proven bomb making recipes are found easily online. In relation to what though? When's the last time you found bomb making recipes offline?

An internet culture birthed a monster. It's what I believe, and it's what I was saying. And if it's not us [the collective "us"] then it's the Internet, but one of us is to blame. The internet is where bomb making materials and ammo for sale, anti-hero worship and general depravity collide with personal responsibility.
It's not a mental illness to have too much time on your hands and to plan out a mass murder. He went out of his way to do this shit. Am I supposed to play the fool to any murderer who's 100% committed to his role? (Hitler, btw? Committed as fuck)

Today's the 1 year anniversary of Anders Breivik's massacre in Norway and here we are talking about a new massacre. Anders Breivik is not crazy, and neither is James Holmes.

Holmes is just like us in that he's an entitled young man with too much time on his hands. He's all "because I can do this stuff, I will." He's not crazy, just committed, and the insanity plea ain't gonna fly with his amount of prep work.

 

[WickedLiquid]

Madster, don't post the ingredients on how to make a bomb. I'm editing that out because it's retarded and disrespectful.

 

[Icepick]

Madster, don't post the ingredients on how to make a bomb. I'm editing that out because it's retarded and disrespectful.

Back to censoring content you don't enjoy?
Way to go madster, went and pissed off the fuhrer

 

[WickedLiquid]

His point was that you can find the information out there on how to make a bomb. It's a valid point, even if everyone already knew this. But it doesn't mean you have to actually share that step by step process with everyone.

It's no different than trying to prove a point that there is an overwhelming amount of porn on the web by posting a bunch of pornography on GR.

 

[LinksOcarina]

Looking back a few years later, Heath Ledger's "online Joker cult" seems all the scarier, or, at least, all the more disturbing. Sainthood to the drug using anti-hero? But that's our generation at work. It worked out pretty well for Kurt Cobain's (estate). Edgy, cool, stupid as f*** - all of the above.
Madster's proven bomb making recipes are found easily online. In relation to what though? When's the last time you found bomb making recipes offline?

An internet culture birthed a monster. It's what I believe, and it's what I was saying. And if it's not us [the collective "us"] then it's the Internet, but one of us is to blame. The internet is where bomb making materials and ammo for sale, anti-hero worship and general depravity collide with personal responsibility.
It's not a mental illness to have too much time on your hands and to plan out a mass murder. He went out of his way to do this s***. Am I supposed to play the fool to any murderer who's 100% committed to his role? (Hitler, btw? Committed as f***)

Today's the 1 year anniversary of Anders Breivik's massacre in Norway and here we are talking about a new massacre. Anders Breivik is not crazy, and neither is James Holmes.

Holmes is just like us in that he's an entitled young man with too much time on his hands. He's all "because I can do this stuff, I will." He's not crazy, just committed, and the insanity plea ain't gonna fly with his amount of prep work.

Our generation is tired, restless, stupid and misinformed.

Of course they worship the devil, they have no other deal's going on. Fact of the matter is the guy still killed people. gun control won't change much, inconviencing everyone won't change it either.

What changes it is how we behave after tragedies and instances of violence. Society is not going to be utopian, but if we focused on the good, gave to the next generations, then we might get somewhere.

 

[Optimus-Crime]

I'd expect to be inconvenienced if I'm going to buy an assault rifle, a ton of ammo, ballistics armor, gas canisters, etc. I know you're saying Holmes could've gotten the materials some other way, but we'll never know because he did most of his shopping online without deterrent.