Concerning antagonizing, derailing and thread shitting
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malakian
Rookie
I don't want that to seem antagonistic to anyone personally - it's primarily an observance of a lack of organisation that seems to be yearned for IF the mods are pleading what I believe they are here.
As far as I'm aware, modship hasn't received a 'constitution' since I was mod, and anyone can go off on a frolic of their own. No strict set of dealing with situations is adhered to. No upper limits, no estimates of which to act upon. Just use common sense is the code, really.
This contrasts with how I'm required to oper on irc, for instance. All these things are laid out for me, so you could say it's less tough than modding, as while modding here, you cant point to a detailed rule and say you were within it if you make a contested modding choice. In a lot of internet hierarchies you can.
I'll give an example (not that I don't agree with it at all, seemed reasonable enough to me, it's just illustrative) of Stalfros' actions the other day. He remade a star trek topic that was by then on the second page. Fine? You'd think so, but the truth is I'm sure every one of you can remember topics being closed and linked when further away than these two were. This leads me at least to a bit of confusion. It happens on a number of issues.
I'd suggest bringing some kind of guidelines for modship in, because as Shaft says, it seems like you guys are quite serious. Being that serious isn't something the current way of moderating can accommodate, IMO.
As far as I'm aware, modship hasn't received a 'constitution' since I was mod, and anyone can go off on a frolic of their own. No strict set of dealing with situations is adhered to. No upper limits, no estimates of which to act upon. Just use common sense is the code, really.
This contrasts with how I'm required to oper on irc, for instance. All these things are laid out for me, so you could say it's less tough than modding, as while modding here, you cant point to a detailed rule and say you were within it if you make a contested modding choice. In a lot of internet hierarchies you can.
I'll give an example (not that I don't agree with it at all, seemed reasonable enough to me, it's just illustrative) of Stalfros' actions the other day. He remade a star trek topic that was by then on the second page. Fine? You'd think so, but the truth is I'm sure every one of you can remember topics being closed and linked when further away than these two were. This leads me at least to a bit of confusion. It happens on a number of issues.
I'd suggest bringing some kind of guidelines for modship in, because as Shaft says, it seems like you guys are quite serious. Being that serious isn't something the current way of moderating can accommodate, IMO.
MikeyVassallo
Regular
If you don't agree with a Mod's decision PM him. Act like a grown up and confront the issue head on.
If you don't like a Mod's behavior put him on notice by telling Sam or Cory. They are the admins. They can keep us in line.
I'm a user just like you are. I have good days and bad. I can be snide and rude and annoying just like you can be. I dislike some users and with good reason. I love some users more than others.
I am not the forum Cop. I am not the forum God. I am just a guy who has been in the GR community for around 10 years and has a bizarre passion to see it work. I guarantee you will not find another community on the world wide interwebs as fantastic as this one can be whether it is in the forums, the Chat or over IM in one of Tylzen's late night group sessions. <.<
Users come and go, but GR remains the same.
If you guys want a little more freedom to post 4chan images, talk about your dicks and rip on each other, then fine. I can understand that. This era of gamepost is a little more free and easy than when we used to do things like ban people from the Chat for not talking about video games (it happened folks...), but you also need to bring it when you are going to hit that New Topic or Submit reply button.
You are a member of this community by privilege, not by right. This isn't the wild west. There are several places on these mighty tubes you can go and post if that is what you desire.
If you all as a community expect a little more from me as a mod, and I speak only for myself, then I am going to expect a little more from you all as a community.
And that is going to be my word on it.
P.S. Alex, we heard you. Shut up now. <3
If you don't like a Mod's behavior put him on notice by telling Sam or Cory. They are the admins. They can keep us in line.
I'm a user just like you are. I have good days and bad. I can be snide and rude and annoying just like you can be. I dislike some users and with good reason. I love some users more than others.
I am not the forum Cop. I am not the forum God. I am just a guy who has been in the GR community for around 10 years and has a bizarre passion to see it work. I guarantee you will not find another community on the world wide interwebs as fantastic as this one can be whether it is in the forums, the Chat or over IM in one of Tylzen's late night group sessions. <.<
Users come and go, but GR remains the same.
If you guys want a little more freedom to post 4chan images, talk about your dicks and rip on each other, then fine. I can understand that. This era of gamepost is a little more free and easy than when we used to do things like ban people from the Chat for not talking about video games (it happened folks...), but you also need to bring it when you are going to hit that New Topic or Submit reply button.
You are a member of this community by privilege, not by right. This isn't the wild west. There are several places on these mighty tubes you can go and post if that is what you desire.
If you all as a community expect a little more from me as a mod, and I speak only for myself, then I am going to expect a little more from you all as a community.
And that is going to be my word on it.
P.S. Alex, we heard you. Shut up now. <3
BigZell2020
Rookie
malakian said:
Liiiiiiiike, the "Colin" topic. Had someone of lesser post count or notoriaty made that topic, it would have been squashed like a bug and deemed "stupid." Yet, as I write this....still open.
WickedLiquid
Regular
BigZell2020 said:
Well, if you're a respected person at GR and everyone knows you make good threads then I can see why it would stay open. So basically, if you don't make stupid threads and you're not a newbie, you should be allowed some stupidity. But if all you do is troll, then expect it to be closed.
schimmel
Rookie
BigZell2020 said:
There's a difference between being a newbie and being known on the forums. If you're known on the forums then all the other known users sometimes enjoy making a ridiculous topic like "Colin." I know I do.
I also know that I can get away with a lot more on the forums now than I could have a year ago when I started posting because the people here know me better.
Plus, the "Colin." topic is really funny if you go in and read all the posts. It's just some forum veterans and some semi-regular posters having a good laugh.
Rakon
Rookie
You can still make random, useless topics, just like the "Colin" one. That is a great example of a stupid thread. It doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever (other than entertainment), but no one went out of line. When that happens, a mod can decide to take action (which they usually do).
If a topic becomes too out of hand, it should be shut down. If you have a problem, do what Stal says you should do.
If a topic becomes too out of hand, it should be shut down. If you have a problem, do what Stal says you should do.
LinksOcarina
Rookie
I'm as guilty as some people for posting random, inconsistent spam in some topics, but at the same time it's not as bad as other posters in the past and now.
I don't mind dumb topics, but we, as a forum, need to be careful of two things if you ask me. Too much spamming and poor moderation of that. I think, as a forum, we cover both bases rather well, so I don't see a problem with what the mods did. That being said, I think the issue here is not to see if dumb topics survive or not, but rather the posts in the dumb topics don't derail anything. That is what we need to worry about more if you ask me.
I don't mind dumb topics, but we, as a forum, need to be careful of two things if you ask me. Too much spamming and poor moderation of that. I think, as a forum, we cover both bases rather well, so I don't see a problem with what the mods did. That being said, I think the issue here is not to see if dumb topics survive or not, but rather the posts in the dumb topics don't derail anything. That is what we need to worry about more if you ask me.
Daddio
Regular
ive been going to GR for a very long time when it comes to looking up game reviews and just recently decided to make an account and start posting. starting to learn how things are run around here and how much everyone likes to stay on topic so i will try to watch myself as i like to rant on occasion when something is mentioned in a topic that isnt really the main topic at hand. if ive done so already in my last 10 or so posts i apologize.
speaking of being newish to GR:F.. is there anywhere to post a 'introduction' type thread to the forums?
speaking of being newish to GR:F.. is there anywhere to post a 'introduction' type thread to the forums?
schimmel
Rookie
From the homepage click on "Recent Forum Topics" this will take you to the forum index. Then click on "Misc" and "Post New Topic" to make an intro topic. I'm just warning you they tend to get locked out quickly, but do it anyway, it's always nice to get a new face around here.Daddio said:
MikeyVassallo
Regular
Don't post an introduction topic. Just post in topics.
Tykk
Rookie
I'm gonna throw a sugestion out there that worked wonders in an old forum i used to Mod for.
How about a sticky "Lawless Chat" topic? Obviously it would still be subject to the general forum rules (no ofensive stuff, porn, etc), but all the random stuff that doesn't deserve a topic of its own and would normally be closed could go there, a huge chat topic where people could be as silly as they want and stupidity could run rampant without clogging the topic list with useless stuff.
The Mods could just edit posts in the chat that broke the forum rules, substituting them for a warning to the user, so those enjoying the topic would not lose all of it because of a couple of douches who can't stop themselves from crossing the line and getting topics deleted.
How about a sticky "Lawless Chat" topic? Obviously it would still be subject to the general forum rules (no ofensive stuff, porn, etc), but all the random stuff that doesn't deserve a topic of its own and would normally be closed could go there, a huge chat topic where people could be as silly as they want and stupidity could run rampant without clogging the topic list with useless stuff.
The Mods could just edit posts in the chat that broke the forum rules, substituting them for a warning to the user, so those enjoying the topic would not lose all of it because of a couple of douches who can't stop themselves from crossing the line and getting topics deleted.
Chris_Crime
Rookie
if Groundhog Day were a topic, it'd be this topic.
MikeyVassallo
Regular
Tykk, because we have a Chat. We don't need a chat topic.
