Silent hills series.....

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  1. Solaris10

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    I played only the second game of Silent Hills and I thought it was excellent.

    Having a game resolve around guilt and subcounscious was brillant. I never played 1, 3 and 4 and I wondered...are they worth it? I seriously think Silent Hill is more creepy than Resident Evil because of the psychological touch it brings....and everytime I play it I feel like tainted....or something is going wrong with my mind.

    I have heard of Silent Hill 1, 2 and 4 but I am left with many questions that I think many of you can answer...

    ***SPOILER ALERT****

    1- In silent hill 1, the town became this way because of the power of Samael right? But in silent hill 2, from what I can understand is that Silent Hill have become a twisted reflexion of James's mind (Power with the remaining power of samael and the guilt he had over the death of his wives). Which theory is true?

    2-Did James survived the even of silent hill 2? If not, which ending is the real one?

    3-In silent hill 1, there was this nurse, Lisa Garland I think.....what's her story..is she a ghost or something?

    4-What's the connection of silent Hill 4 to all the other games?

    5-In Silent hill 3, Heather is in fact Cheryl reborn (well Alessa in fact). Henry Masson (hero of the first one) get killed by pyramid head ordered by Claudia......but why? Why did he had to die?

    6-In the bad ending of silent hill 1, we see a short CG of Henry, still in his car accident after the car accident from the beggining. Does that mean....that all he did in Silent hill was in his head and he was...dreaming???

    7- In silent hill 2, James said his wife died 3 years ago but it is hinted in the game sthat only a week passed (WTF???). Is this true? Is James mentally sick like the rest of the other character?

    8-There is a rumor that James was one of the patient in the mental hospital...is this true?

    9-Is Frank Sunderland in Silent hill 4 related to James Sunderland? If yes...does he knows what happened to James?

    10- Who is the woman talking in the confessional booth in silent hill 3?


    ****SPOILER ENDS*****

    Compared to Residnet Evil....the plot is not really explained at all in this serie.... Though I love this story as much as it scares me out (YEAH IT FREAKS ME OUT!!!) I want to understand it but I can't find the games anywhere.... can anyone help me understand the plot?

    So many questions.......

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. Hexagram

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    Silent Hill 1 is definitely worth it. The only problem is that the game is so outdated in terms of graphics and voice acting that it will seem almost impossible for a newcomer like yourself to get scared from it. SH3 is also a great game however it's not a psychological masterpiece like SH2. SH3 is the sequel to part 1 so I feel the game spent more time trying to answer all the loose ends from the first game instead of focusing more on putting us inside the character's head. I enjoyed it a lot, but it is too short and there isn't enough choice for multiple endings.

    SH4, well, that's when it went to hell. It's not even supposed to be a SH game, the designers just decided to attach SH4 to their title "The Room" at the last minute.



    Well, without spoiling SH1, there are many different endings and it wasn't until SH3 that one of the ending was determined the correct one. So during SH2, any one of the endings from SH could've been possible.

    The power of Samael still remains dormant in the town and everything James sees (Maria, the monsters, Pyramid Head, etc) are all puppet orchestrated by Samael. However, what James sees is perceived different from others. When James rescues Angela, she screams "Daddy no!" It doesn't look like her father to James or us. James asks Eddie if he knows anything about Pyramid Head while he's throwing up. Eddie is confused by this question because he can't see it. Eddie, Angela and James all go through their own nightmares with their own visions that are different for each of them. Laura is just an innocent girl who thought her frien Mary was in town, so she sees nothing.

    So in a way, both theories are correct.


    As far as I know, there hasn't been an official ending to the game announced in other games. There are theories that Douglas from SH3 mentions James when he talks about going on a missing person's case to Silent Hill. And the superintendent's last name in SH4 is Sunderland, indicating James was his son. But these are theories and nothing is confirmed.

    You should really play the game to see for yourself.

    Their really isn't one. Like I said, it's not even a SH game. They just tweaked the game a bit at the end by saying that the levels take place in Silent Hill. People say SH4 connects to SH2 because of the superintendent. However, there is no proof he's James' father, they just share the same last name. I think the designers for The Room gave the super that last name because they're the team behind SH and thought SH fans would get a kick out of it.

    Well, you should play the game but considering you know the biggest spoiler then I'll explain it. It wasn't Pyramid head that killed Harry Mason, it was some other creature. Pyramid Head is only from SH2 as it represents James. It is explained right after Harry dies that Claudia wanted to fill her heart with rage while getting revenge on Harry for screwing up the cult's plans in the first game.

    Well, see this takes a LONG time to explain. You should play the game and I guess you should know that the Good ending is the correct one (not the good+). You'll see where Harry ends up in the Good ending and draw your own conclusions.


    Yes, he is mentally sick and in denial like the rest of the characters. It's why he's there in the first place. To confront his guilt. Every time James says mentions Mary, he usually pauses and you can see him put his hand on his head as if he is trying to force himself to forget the truth.

    Oh yeah, I forgot about this. This is just a rumor, if you believe this to be true then you have to believe that the "In Water" Ending is the correct one.

    I already answered that :p

    Claudia.
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    I already know almost (ALMOST) every major plot twist of Silent hill......however, I only played the second recently. But still...the second one was the hardest to understand....

    Thanks for the answer!

    I heard they are going a Silent hill 5......I wonder how they can pull this off.......it seems pretty finished in my opinion.
     
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    I also, I noticed something...

    IN silent hill 4 when Cynthia dies a tune begins..it is room of angels...

    The lyrics are:

    "Here's a lullaby to close your eyes...goodbye..."

    Wasn't that was James told Mary before she died in Silent Hill 2?
     
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    All we need is Masterchris and this thread is complete.
     
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    Sorry I'm late :)
    It's been so long since I've last stretched my Silent Hill muscles, I hope I'm not rusty!!

    Notice: Major spoilers below. If you're even considering playing any of the Silent Hill games, might want to cast your eyes towards something else -- like porn.

    If you don't mind me asking, how is it you know so much about the other games? I hope you haven't been reading FAQs and plot guides.

    Then Silent Hill worked for you! That's great, so many people try Silent Hill and get bored because it isn't constant in-your-face action like a certain series of so-called horror games (RE).


    As always, Hex provided some excellent information. Only a couple of ideas I want to throw into the mix that he hasn't already touched on.

    Yeah, as Hex said there is no official ending. In fact none of the games have an "official" ending, in that nobody form the development teams of any of the games have ever come out and said "Yes, this ending is the real one." As Hex said, Silent Hill 3 basically came right out and said that Harry survived the first game, and Heather is Alessa reincarnated. This basically tells us that either the Good or Good+ ending from the first game is the "true" ending, as Harry dies in the Bad ending, and he loses his daughter completely in the Bad+ ending. The only difference between the Good and Good+ endings from that game, is that Cybil dies in the Good ending and survives in the Good+ ending. I don't recall anything off the top of my head from the third game that says Cybil didn't survive with Harry. We know she and Harry aren't together by the time the events of the third game occur, so maybe she died a few years after they escaped the first game? Maybe Cybil left Harry because he.... beat her up? Cheated on her? Who knows.
    But yes, there is no definitive ending for the second game. Personally I'm fond of the Maria ending myself. Sure the In Water and Leave endings gives closure, but the Maria ending throws that little bone out that hey, things for James aren't going to be quite right after he leaves this town... if this was a movie, I would say the Maria ending opens it up for an easy sequel.

    As Hex said, there is none. Konami decided to create a new survival horror game, so they created a Silent Hill rip-off about a guy trapped in his apartment, but is given the ability to leave and visit other parts of the town at other points in time, etc etc etc. At some point Konami decided it was unlikely to do that great compared to Silent Hill 3's successes, so they made the unfortunate decision to fold it into the Silent Hill family. They added a few things to bring the story somewhat in line with that of the Silent Hill series, including a whole sub-plot which fleshes out the story of Walter Sullivan from the second game (you learned about Walter in a magazine in the garbage chute at the apartment building in Silent Hill 2), and the orphanage which was also touched in the third game. Basically the connections and sub-plot they created were poorly done in my opinion, although the actual game its self I would rate as decent. Not Silent Hill quality in my opinion, although there were a few areas that impressed me, such as the water prison (which to be truthful was stunning visually, and had a great back-story to it).

    Hex nailed that one, to enrage Heather. The god gestating inside of her was nurtured by pain and suffering, which was mentioned in Silent Hill 3 as well as in the original game by Dahlia.

    Even though Silent Hill 3 tells us that this is not the "true" ending, it's still my personal favourite from the first game. Pretty much yeah, if you look at just the Bad ending, everything that has happened do Harry in the first game went on in his head, whether it's a nightmare in the moments before dying, or he really has died and this is some sort of hell he is being put through.

    Head-nod towards Hex yet again.

    Indeed, get a hold of the game and give it a try. Lisa's character is very deep and involved, even though hardly anything about her is actually known by the player. Although I will tell you she's not a ghost, she is real.


    Just a couple of things I want to pick apart Hex. A few years ago I was a part of a community which came up with some really good ideas about whether or not a character named Samael even existed. In Silent Hill 3, through some book we are told that the name Samael is a name given to the cult's god by people who opposed the cult and their religion, and that the name Samael had a negative connotation. I can't recall if an actual name was given to the god Harry battles at the end of the game with the Good or Good+ endings, but many believed Samael was just a name Dahlia gave to the god that Harry might recognize, hoping to scare him away when he finally had to face it. Whatever that god's name is, I agree with you that it is in some way powering the events of Silent Hill 2, even though it is not directly involved with the characters.
    We all know what James sees in Silent Hill 2, he sees monsters in female forms attempting to kill him. Female mannequins, female nurses, female... things that shoot acid from their mouths (like all females). He sees this becaue he has been called to Silent Hill to face his guilt, and as we know James killed his wife Mary, so the horror he is facing takes female shapes. Even the final demon he must defeat takes on a female form, and looks identical to his late wife Mary. The character of Maria was also created to look very similar to Mary, and to continually remind James of what he did. The hotel near the end of the game looks exactly as it did when James and Mary visited it a year or two ago, and as soon as James realizes and acknowledges what he did to his wife, we realize what he is seeing in the hotel is not what the hotel really looks like. Truth is the hotel had caught fire recently, since suddenly the hotel is full of water and dampness, scorch marks on the walls, entire sections of the basement unreachable due to fire damage.
    Eddy was called to Silent Hill because he is guilty as well; he confesses to James that he killed a man and a dog because he felt they were laughing at him; he believes James is laughing at him as well, and tries to kill James. The creatures Eddy sees in Silent Hill are people laughing at him.
    Angela was called to Silent Hill because she is guilty, she killed her parents. She alluded to the idea that her father may have been abusing her sexually, and that her mother may have known about it and done nothing. During her stay in Silent Hill, the creatures she sees resemble her father, possibly trying again to molest her. We know this from the scene where James walks in on her being attacked by a creature that James sees as a walking door (still haven't figured out the significance to James of a giant door with legs). When James finally kills the creature, Angela goes nuts on it, kicking it and eventually throwing a TV set onto it. After this is when she alludes to James that her father may have been molesting her. As I recall Angela also refers to the creature that was attacking her as her father, or daddy, or something.
    Laura is the only character not believed to be drawn into the town. As we know from the game, Laura was at the same hospital Mary stayed in, and they became friends. Laura was possibly hanging around the town trying to find Mary, or connect with her. As Laura is not guilty of anything, the town has no effect on her, and she sees everything normally just as you or I would. We know this from the scene where James finds her playing in the hospital room, and says it's not safe here for a little girl. Laura responds with confusion, indicating everything looks normal to her!

    I suggest trying Ebay. May have to pay a bit more, but if you can locate a copy of the original and play it yourself, you will enjoy it. A lot.
    But you're absolutely right in that hardly anything in the story is actually explained until the third game in the series. And that's what was so great about the first two. I enjoy nothing more than sitting down online with a bunch of like-minded individuals, and theorizing about Silent Hill.
     
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    One question. In SH2, after you fight Eddy why does the letter become blank? Is that the way that Silent Hill called to him and since he knew the truth it erased the message, or was it all part of him being in denial?
     
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    I don't recall the letter going blank? But it's questionable whether the letter even existed. After James killed his wife, he went crazy, just like Eddie and Angela. Only James was able to hide his insanity, force it deep down inside of him.




    Spoilers for Silent Hill 1 ending.

    Now you see, the reason why I say the good ending is the official ending is not because it's proven in SH3, but because the Good+ Ending takes us back to the beginning of Harry's story where he finds a baby on the road. The exact scene is shown to us with Cybil replaced as the mother. From my point of view, I was under the impression that Harry had gone back in time seven years and he'll repeat the same process again. Why else would they show the exact same scene with Cybil instead of Harry's late wife? He didn't find the baby on the road, he escaped the "other world" with the child. Perhaps when he found Cheryl it was merely another repeat of his last tormented pursue?

    IMO

    Bad ending = It was all in his head and he's dead.
    Bad+ ending = It really happened but him and Cybil die in the otherworld
    Good ending = It really happened, Harry escapes the otherworld and ends up on the highway where he crashed with the baby.
    Good+ Ending = Everything has been reset to the moment Harry and his "wife" (now Cybil) find a baby on the road. The events will repeat once again.


    I see what you're getting at. But to not give the demonic force the cult worshipped a name makes the game way too hard to understand, lol.

    Before the "Born From a Wish" game came out for PS2 and Xbox. I was under the impression that Maria herself was the demonic force "Samael". She took on different shapes for Eddie, Angela and James. I believed she took on the form of someone who resembled Angela's "mama" and was the one who kept trying to get her to kill herself. Which is why Maria never entered the bowling alley, because it knew Eddie was there and it knew Eddie would see it as his vision. But of course once "Born from a wish" came out it crapped all over that theory, lol :p
     
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    Thanks for answering my questions!

    The reason why I know so much about Silent Hill is my little brother who cannot keep his mouth shut. I found the rom and a PSX/PS2 emulator and I am playing them...

    One thing to say...

    IT WAS THE DOG ALL ALONG!!!!!

    You know where I get that....
     
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    What is "Born from a wish"? Some kind of director's cut?
     
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    It is a small prequel about Maria.

    And the Chibi Edition is classic.
     
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    Yep. Not sure exactly when it goes blank (is it actually right after the Eddie fight? I thought it was when he got to the hotel. Ah well, the hotel is right after the Eddie fight anyway :p).
    James never really received a letter, he just imagined that he did so that he would have an excuse to come to Silent Hill. He realizes this once he gets to the hotel (or after he fights Eddie).



    Interesting. I always assumed it changed history, but I like the idea that the nightmare is going to repeat again!

    I thought the exact same thing! I was quite certain the beast taking Mary's form at the very end was also Maria, but it seems more likely it wasn't, since Maria doesn't at any time seem hostile towards James, she kind of helps him and serves as a reminder...

    Greatest scene ever! The original Silent Hill also has a secret joke ending, which is also brilliant.

    Born From a Wish is the sub-story which was only available on the XBox and PlayStation Greatest Hits version. The main story is called Letter from Silent Heaven.

    Brilliant! And quite hilarious!
     
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    The official Silent Hill 2 promo video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5VmaRSz7I
    I have a high res copy on my computer I got from some press pack. There's a few other videos I'll try and locate, otherwise I'll upload them. Stay tuned.

    Edit
    Found the Silent Hill trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwan7k3nOzg

    Silent Hill 2 trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xnUoywnr0o

    Another: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Jxl4RYQ1Ls

    Edit 2
    HERE's the one I was looking for. Great video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0k6T3VrjoO8
     
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    hehe love those, thanks!

    Anyway, I hope they don't mess up Silent Hill 5!
     
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    Solaris, MC, please no double posting when not necessary... Use the edit button, please.
     
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    Sorry, guess I am too tired to find the edit button :p
     
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    I only played and finished Silent Hill 1 &2 and played a little bit on 3. This is the only game that i can't play without lights.
    I'ts giving me the creeps especially that radio sound.
     
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    I don't know why people bash Silent Hill 3. I found it to be much scarier then the first 2. Sure, the story isn't as good but I've never felt as paranoid in a game as I did in that damn hospital.
     
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    Get bent
     
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