Something new to talk about
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Bretimus_v2
So tired.
I think he has the opportunity to help a lot in the community. Two guys I grew up with, Todd Heap & John Beck, now play professionally and I know that they have foundations and do a lot of "NFL cares" kind of stuff.
Having grown up in Arizona, I feel that you have to take local pressures into mind. A lot of local crime is starting to come from the latino immigrant sector. However, as far as the ones that are just there to work? Well, they are going to cripple a ton of companies when they all get kicked out. Or perhaps those companies will have to finally be honest about their "we'll help you get your residency" offers and start helping their employees. But this is Arizona we're talking about. The place is full of extremists (read, racists) when it comes to immigration.
Having grown up in Arizona, I feel that you have to take local pressures into mind. A lot of local crime is starting to come from the latino immigrant sector. However, as far as the ones that are just there to work? Well, they are going to cripple a ton of companies when they all get kicked out. Or perhaps those companies will have to finally be honest about their "we'll help you get your residency" offers and start helping their employees. But this is Arizona we're talking about. The place is full of extremists (read, racists) when it comes to immigration.
kapow said:
I'm so ready for the World Cup this summer.
Eyebrowsbv31
Rookie
Hlallu said:
I work at a store that is about 45% legal immigrants, and although most don't really care(european immigrants), the handful of mexicans we have love the bill; I was rather surprised when I asked. Their beef was that they took the time to become citizens (and they moved up here from Arizona) because they couldn't get a job as legal immigrants down there; the illegals, frankly, "took their Jerbs!" they said.
The odd thing about the bill is all it really is doing is enforcing a federal bill for the most part:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... al-immigr/
Chris_Crime
Rookie
Arizona
Well I can't imagine anyone - any race, any creed - supporting a bill that encourages racial profiling. If you can outright arrest a person who doesn't have their papers then you can also perform an unlawful search and seizure of their personal property, including their home, their vehicle - all because the guy was rocking a tan in the summer time.
Worldwide, Spanish-speaking countries are coming out against this bill, but I'm not surprised to hear there were some holdouts somewhere... it's understandable.
Legal immigrants should be upset, but a clearer understanding is needed so they'll understand how this law will affect them; it's the old bait and switch, they're selling it as something which it's not. They've been sold a bill of goods about a law that'll protect them, an ultimate recourse to help fight the illegal immigration problem, when in reality all they're doing it supporting a racial profiling bill.
To Eyebrows' co-workers I'd say educate yourself, eventually this law would fall back onto you.
But that's real "meat" of this bill: racial profiling, the linchpin that holds the entire bill together.
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That's what Arizona's up to, passing a law that flies in the face of the Fourth Amendment, which is also the reason the bill will eventually be struck down as being unconstitutional. As we speak (type), lawsuits are being filed challenging the bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Ame ... arch.3F.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
So it's all for naught. I can't see this bill holding. I'm glad it's brought forth the debate, in the end this will help move us towards proper immigration reform. This is good timing for everyone.
Well I can't imagine anyone - any race, any creed - supporting a bill that encourages racial profiling. If you can outright arrest a person who doesn't have their papers then you can also perform an unlawful search and seizure of their personal property, including their home, their vehicle - all because the guy was rocking a tan in the summer time.
Worldwide, Spanish-speaking countries are coming out against this bill, but I'm not surprised to hear there were some holdouts somewhere... it's understandable.
Legal immigrants should be upset, but a clearer understanding is needed so they'll understand how this law will affect them; it's the old bait and switch, they're selling it as something which it's not. They've been sold a bill of goods about a law that'll protect them, an ultimate recourse to help fight the illegal immigration problem, when in reality all they're doing it supporting a racial profiling bill.
To Eyebrows' co-workers I'd say educate yourself, eventually this law would fall back onto you.
But that's real "meat" of this bill: racial profiling, the linchpin that holds the entire bill together.
____
_____
______
That's what Arizona's up to, passing a law that flies in the face of the Fourth Amendment, which is also the reason the bill will eventually be struck down as being unconstitutional. As we speak (type), lawsuits are being filed challenging the bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Ame ... arch.3F.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
So it's all for naught. I can't see this bill holding. I'm glad it's brought forth the debate, in the end this will help move us towards proper immigration reform. This is good timing for everyone.
Yokiro
Regular
Chris_Crime has surprised and informed me this day.
Informed because, clearly the law is wrong on a naturally human level and could only ripple dangerously if it went unchecked (sort of like the ridiculous oil spill, something that shouldn't even be a possibility in an age when many energy solutions have become viable but for the irresponsible lack of financial/political support), and this is something fairly evident without even needing to look at the law. Though, being able to see the injustices clearly through the important vision of its belligerent relationship with the Constitution that certain members and groups of the media cry is being adulterated and micturated on in their claims, about any complex and multifaceted issue, that tend to simply boil down to, "ThFe gUovCernKmeOnt is tBoo poAweMrfAul!"
(I really wouldn't care and/or listen at all, but the TV in this house constantly blares Fox News and the like, and topics such as the conspiracy being spearheaded by the President to cause the collapse of the global economy in order to replace the current state of the world with a socialist regime, even though businesses and incredibly poor business practices are far more likely to be the true cause of this possible eventuality, are constantly being parroted at me despite any and all attempts to logically rebut.)
Surprised because, a debate (or at least, so far, quality input) on something that's not a movie about a human poo-poo train is commendable and far more shocking than that film's premise probably likes to think it is. Just, bravo and enough kudos for me to even post using my serious voice again. (Well, semi-serious.)
As for input on a possible topic: Did anyone, other than those who submitted their own as to check out the competition, ever read those community submitted comics for the contest which has yet to have a winner announced despite it ending over a month ago? Any thoughts on any of them, if read, or, alternatively, any thoughts as to why a form of art only attains validation upon being praised and/or paid for munificently? (As I consider them a form of somewhat-primitive art.)
Likewise, on this train of thought, why is it that in a world where information is so freely procured, do so many flock to and reference popular culture (such as video games in most of those comics) rather than discovering new (although old, sometimes very old) forms and expressions of culture and life? I understand the desire to repeatedly research the human anatomy, but there is (Or perhaps only was?) more to life than the simple pleasures of porn, familiar figures (of many descriptions), and monotony? Obviously there is much more to every individual than the simple, there has to be.
Informed because, clearly the law is wrong on a naturally human level and could only ripple dangerously if it went unchecked (sort of like the ridiculous oil spill, something that shouldn't even be a possibility in an age when many energy solutions have become viable but for the irresponsible lack of financial/political support), and this is something fairly evident without even needing to look at the law. Though, being able to see the injustices clearly through the important vision of its belligerent relationship with the Constitution that certain members and groups of the media cry is being adulterated and micturated on in their claims, about any complex and multifaceted issue, that tend to simply boil down to, "ThFe gUovCernKmeOnt is tBoo poAweMrfAul!"
(I really wouldn't care and/or listen at all, but the TV in this house constantly blares Fox News and the like, and topics such as the conspiracy being spearheaded by the President to cause the collapse of the global economy in order to replace the current state of the world with a socialist regime, even though businesses and incredibly poor business practices are far more likely to be the true cause of this possible eventuality, are constantly being parroted at me despite any and all attempts to logically rebut.)
Surprised because, a debate (or at least, so far, quality input) on something that's not a movie about a human poo-poo train is commendable and far more shocking than that film's premise probably likes to think it is. Just, bravo and enough kudos for me to even post using my serious voice again. (Well, semi-serious.)
As for input on a possible topic: Did anyone, other than those who submitted their own as to check out the competition, ever read those community submitted comics for the contest which has yet to have a winner announced despite it ending over a month ago? Any thoughts on any of them, if read, or, alternatively, any thoughts as to why a form of art only attains validation upon being praised and/or paid for munificently? (As I consider them a form of somewhat-primitive art.)
Likewise, on this train of thought, why is it that in a world where information is so freely procured, do so many flock to and reference popular culture (such as video games in most of those comics) rather than discovering new (although old, sometimes very old) forms and expressions of culture and life? I understand the desire to repeatedly research the human anatomy, but there is (Or perhaps only was?) more to life than the simple pleasures of porn, familiar figures (of many descriptions), and monotony? Obviously there is much more to every individual than the simple, there has to be.
Eyebrowsbv31
Rookie
^answer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bevJr3Ra84Q
but not really, how'd they get away with that one.
but not really, how'd they get away with that one.
Yokiro
Regular
They got away with it because there's a certain level of stupidity that, once passed, any serious critic can't be seen to associate themselves with that item of idiocy without being criticized as, "The guy who spent way too long watching an extended testicle joke."? Who knows, the world is just an astounding, absolutely amazing place and ignoring it is far easier than addressing and adapting it positively.
Hey, you know what I just realized that will totally steer this thread away from shitty political flaming?
We haven't done a GRumble this year.
I mean, we may not even have the people for it anymore, but still.
GRumble!
We haven't done a GRumble this year.
I mean, we may not even have the people for it anymore, but still.
GRumble!
Bretimus_v2
So tired.
Let's get it on!!!
Chris_Crime
Rookie
lol the Gulf of Texaco 
First they wanted to burn the spillage off (about 1.5 million gallons has spilled so far). oh crap
Now they're trying to "drown" the oil with some sort of chemical sediment, to be moved about the oceans in the upcoming hurricane season. oh crap
...get those Arizona mexicans over there to help cle... no no no..KIDDING (kidding?) ((yes))
Meanwhile
:bs:
First they wanted to burn the spillage off (about 1.5 million gallons has spilled so far). oh crap
Now they're trying to "drown" the oil with some sort of chemical sediment, to be moved about the oceans in the upcoming hurricane season. oh crap
...get those Arizona mexicans over there to help cle... no no no..KIDDING (kidding?) ((yes))
Meanwhile
:bs:
UghRochester
https://www.twitch.tv/ughrochester
Let's do GRumble!
Trippysmurf
Rookie
I'd like to talk about Used being back.
Hey Used, how have you been. Did you fight the Russians while riding a polar bear?
Hey Used, how have you been. Did you fight the Russians while riding a polar bear?
UrbanMasque
Everyone Wears a Mask
