Somebody feels insecure

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Cali, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. Cali

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    I was reading a rather well written, albeit old article on techrader about the ups of PC gaming. It was an enjoyable read, and it was factual.

    http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/12 ... s&attr=all

    Then I started reading the comments of butthurt console gamers.

    (Keep in mind that I hold no ill will toward consoles are or fans in general, and I still find them to be very fun at the right moments.)


    #1: I play Super Mario on my PC....with an xbox 360 pad. So what's the difference, you ask? Unlike a console, a PC easily allows you to choose EITHER control scheme. If you want to play with a joystick, you can. If you want a KB+Mouse setup...it's already there. Now that everything from XP on up has automatic detection for the X360 gamepad, there isn't a program out there that can't run with a gamepad on the PC. If for some reason it won't, you can download the free-to-use "Joy2Key" program that will translate keyboard and mouse commands into joystick and button presses. I've controlled Ultima 8 in DOSbox with a gamepad thanks to that program. There is nothing you can't do with it.

    See, that's where you're proved wrong there. Why? Well, you ever try to plug a KB+Mouse into a console the same way you can plug a gamepad into a PC? You can't. Other then Red Faction 2 for the PS2 and Quake 3 for the Dreamcast, there haven't been any fully supported KB+Mouse console games released. Yes, Killzone 1 had KB support, but not mouse support. Microsoft even banned people who used KB+Mouse via that short-lived, wildly popular KB+M dongle released back when Halo 2 came out. Remember that fiasco?

    #2: I won't mention that I actually have 3 working PCs in my house right now and that they are all networked wirelessly. Most don't, I understand that.

    Your gripe is that Console games are more conducive to personal face-to-face gaming, but that wasn't what the original poster was talking about. He was talking about resolutions. The best any console can current do is 1080p. My PC is doing, if I went by your scale, 1680p. Most people are going beyond that. PCs have had standard support for XGA resolution (XGA=1024x768) since the mid 90s. Windows 95, to be exact.

    #3: Do you HONESTLY think regulation makes for betetr mods? What the fuck are you smoking? Regulation means that the good stuff gets banned. Have you played Little Big Planet lately? Every good level is getting axed by Sony Corporate, and the boards are on fire because of it. God forbid you do a Gradius inspired level or a stage based on star Wars...you get banned. Hundreds have so far.

    As for the genitalia comment...that's a pathetic stereotype. Sure, there are nude mods for just about everything, but that is only a very small percentage of what the modding community has done.

    What about Baldur's Gate 2? One of the former designers teamed up with PPG and released an adventure mod that added in all the cut story content that Interplay didn't have time to code. What about the BG1 and 2 romance mods? The Fallout 2 restoration mods? The Vampire Bloodlines fan patches and quest additions? The Neverwinter nights Persistent World community? Half-Life 1's famous Sven Co-op mod? The tons of Diablo 2 quest mods? WoW fan servers with custom rules and skills? System Shock 2's re-texturing project? Deus Ex 1's re-texturing project? The Circle of 8 Temple of Elemental Evil mod that adds an extra 15 hours of gameplay? Flamestryke's comprehensive Wizardy 8 mod?

    Should I go on or should I stop?

    If these companies had a closed online mode on the PC the way they do on the consoles, we wouldn't have gained ANY of those mods you imbecile. The only thing Xbox Live has is horse armor for 10 bucks and silly crap that the fan community on the PC versions has already done better. Fact.

    #4: Have you seen what Oblivion looks like on a fully powered PC? Have you seen what Fallout 3 looks like on my PC? You do realize that those are PC ports, right? Those games are made on a PC and put onto an Xbox dev kit. All principle game design is done on the PC. You will *never* see a console version of *any* game look better on the console then it will on a top of the line PC.

    And if one looks hard enough, he'll find a decent gaming rig that costs just as much as any other console.

    #5: I have every console and mutliple PCs. From my experience, the vats majority of console games are shovelware. Hell, 90% of the Wii's lineup is shovelware. Dora, Barbie, Barney, Iron Chef, Cooking Mama...sounds like garbage to me.

    #6: You have to be an idiot. You really do.

    Let's look at your online games. Phantays Star Online, on the 360, requires a 50 dollar live subscription AND a 10.99 a month sub to play. On the PC, it only requires the 10.99 a month = PC is cheaper.

    What about FFXI? Same thing. 50 dollar live subscription and a 14.99 sub for their servers. On the PC it's the same,e xcept you don't pay 50 for live. Cheaper version? PC again.


    #7: I have no idea what this means, so I'm skipping it. If you mean freeware games sucking on the Pc, you aren't looking very hard. The PC has a LOT of indie developers making content exclusively for the PC. Google: Spiderweb software, Jeff Vogel, Basilisk Games, and Audiosurf for proof.

    #8: Yeah, but how big are your hard drives? The biggest PS3 drive currently being sold is 60 gigs, right? Or 80? PC drives are, on average, around 300-500GB right now. Terrabyte Drives (1,000GB) are now quite common. I almost bought one for this PC but they only come in 5.2 and 7KRPM flavors. Which, oddly enough, are still faster then your console drives.

    A 20 gig install doesn't matter much when you have 500GB. Also, we have easily installed external drive options.

    also, more importantly, thanks to sites like gamecopyworld we can apply no-CD cracks to our games and run without a disk. Can your machines do that? Well, with the new Xbox update they can....provided you go out and buy the new 200Gb (Laugh) HDD and your Xbox model supports it. (No arcade versions!)

    9: Wow, two games. You do realize who developed those linux-based Wii hacks, right? PC nerds. They were made by the team making the Wii Emulator. Major fail right there, buddy.

    Plus, that hack is notoriously hard to get working. I sincerely doubt you've done it. Especially since the very minute you log on to Nintendo's service, it will rewrite your info and disable the hack with a OS update.

    On the PC, editing of save files is universal and easy. there isn't a game in existence that doesn't have a trainer out there for it.

    10: Yeah, the 360 and PS3 haven't had any complaints about their stellar backwards compatibility have they? Oh no. Everyone was quite pleased with the PS3's Backwards compatibility. Especially how most systems aren't capable of it and even those that are do it via a poorly implemented software emulation mode. As for the 360, the vats majority of the "good games" Still aren't playable. They aren't even integrated into the OS. Games like Riddick, which people want, aren't being supported because MS wants people to buy the new 360 remakes of them. Backwards Compatibility has NEVER been an important issue for the consoles. Most are not Backwards compatible, and never will be. the PC, however, can play everything up to the PS2 and can play old DOS games perfectly with DOSbox.

    Virtual PC covers the Windows 95-98 games.

    Can your consoles boast the same thing? No. The Virtual Console is nice, but paying 10 bucks for a 15 year old game is a gigantic rip-off if, like me, you already own it.

    Fail.

    11: Jealous that you can't do it? Jealous that you can't dial up a torrent site and download every old game your little gamer heart always wanted to play?

    Call it warez all you want kiddie, but it's something your consoles can't do thanks to the vaunted "Regulation" you adore so much.


    12: It isn't the PC's fault that you are a teenaged imbecile who cannot properly operate a PC.

    As for consoles being crash free, horse hockey. If you get a red ring of death, you can't pop open the console and fix it. When my PC goes down, I can open it up and see what's wrong. Last year, the fan on my northbridge went down. I bought another for 25 bucks and replaced it.




    I don't hate console gamers, just the narrow minded ones.
     
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  2. masterchris

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    Who are you replying to...?
     
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  3. Tykk

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    I must be bored as hell to have read through the whole thing.

    You say you hate the narrow minded ones, but your arguments sounded quite narrow minded to me. You went on and on about how PC > Consoles on every argument, without ever aknowledging PC's faults and Consoles' pros.

    Keep in mind that this is a PC gamer saying your comments were also narrow minded so...

    Also, i'm not even going to bother adding anything to the PC x Console discussion, that's one dead horse that has been beaten one too many times for me to care.
     
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  4. Peanutkiller

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    Please do take in account that each and any one of these 12 proposed advantages of PC gaming have their own problems. It's just the way you want to look at things:

    1. Mouse and keyboard support
    turns into
    1. Most logical button hotmapping

    2. High screen resolutions
    turns into
    2. 22 inch LCD vs 37 inch full HD televisions

    3. Free mods
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    3. Only actually GOOD mods, which are worth paying for

    4. Upgradeable hardware
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    4. Personal computers with the same capacity as a PS3 or X360 are over twice as expensive, and upgrading hardware doesn't make things cheaper.

    5. Cheaper games
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    5. Since games are more expensive, you are more likely to be picky in your selection of games. Also, this discourages downloading PC games, you pirate HAR HAR HAR.

    6. You're not tied to one online service
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    6. Nobody forces you to not be tied to one online service while PC gaming.

    7. No extra dosh needed for playing online
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    7. Stop being a cheap bastard, it works, and we already determined that you save half as much money when not buying a PC.

    8. Unlimited storage space
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    8. Last time I checked, my Hard Drives capacity was not ∞GB. Also, this again discourages you to download 90 discographies and store them on your HD. Buy your CD's instead and play them on your console.

    9. Save game hacking
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    9. Well, if you REALLY must cheat in order to enjoy a game, I guess you should buy a PC.

    10. Unofficial fixes for older games
    turns into
    10. There is a reason these games are unofficial.

    11. Abandonware
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    11. Nobody forbids you playing seven year old games on your little brother's pentium II computer, go ahead.

    12. No red ring of death
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    12. Like the article says, if it goes wrong, it goes WRONG in a computer. If you know that the red ring of death is all you can expect, you just throw your console away and buy a new one as soon as you see it, no headaches. Just make sure it doesn't overheat this time.


    Now, I am a 100% genuine PC gamer and I agree with any one of the statements in the article. If you are willing to spend a lot more money on a decent computer, you will benefit from it. If not, please take in mind that there are two sides to any coin.
     
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  5. Green_Lantern

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    No way did I read that...

    But

    Who cares what people say, a lot of people on the internet can be douches with no life...But as long as you enjoy PC gaming why does it matter which is better?

    Personally I enjoy both, and will continue to enjoy both as long as there are PC and console games.
     
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  6. Cali

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    You have to realize that everything I say is tongue in cheek. Nothing I say is to be taken seriously, it's just stuff to read through when you're bored off your rump.

    And yes, I must have been really bored to have wrote all that.


    /thread.


    This was just a venting thread. It wasn't meant to be elitist, yet it sounded like that. Stal, if you wanna lock this up, feel free. It's bound to turn into a flame war sooner or later, something I never acknowledge when I'm making a thread.
     
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  7. GRColin

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    Wtd do you mean Stal? I'm a mod here too fool! :p

    I'm actually moving this to general to try and let this topic serve a purpose.
     
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    Has this beef between PC and Console enthusiast's been going on for a long time? I've just noticed a lot of flaming for the last 6 months or so.

    Of course PC gaming is superior, but there are too many complications and not enough money to fix them usually. Consoles are nice a simple, plus they're practically PC's already.
     
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  9. Diabolus

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    My PS3 HDD is 260 GB. :D
     
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  10. Cali

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    Argh! Why did you have to lug this thread's guts into the general gaming section?

    Anyway, I hope Longo stumbles in. I enjoy his trolling.
     
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    Ask and ye shall receive.

    Regardless, I pretty much agree with most of the things this guy has to say. I didn't read the really long pointless post that you had, mostly because you're incredibly annoying, but also because it was long and pointless.

    But PC gaming is great and all, but has one fatal flaw, the ease of piracy. No game producer would greenlight a game that is just going to get 1 million downloads instead of 1 million sales. And that is why PC gaming is dieing. And the only people there are to blame are the very pretentious PC gamers who keep insisting that it is better. I love the taste of irony in the morning.

    Also, you strike me as being the 25-30 year old who grew up playing on a commodore and has been playing PC games your whole life, probably spent some time living in a basement, and the most used phrase in your gaming career is "they changed it now it sucks". I could go on, but I won't.
     
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    Consoles are made for gaming and can do some things that PC's can do, PC's are made for porn and can do some things consoles can do.
     
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  13. Yokiro

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    I thought this was going to be a tell-all thread in which you revealed your troubles, hang ups, issues, and all of those types of things and asked for help.
    What it actually is happens to be much more dull, and less honest. Why can't you just open your heart and let us in Cali?
    Why? :'(
     
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  14. used44

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    Home consoles are where it's at.

    The only real advantage PCs have ever had, for me, was the ability to play online, but consoles have obviously conquered that obstacle.
     
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  15. Tykk

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    The very reason why i'm considering moving on to consoles, even game genres that are better played with a mouse and keyboard are being released on console only because of the piracy. The only things keeping me away from consoles are RTSs and the ridiculously expensive last-gen prices down here.
     
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  16. GRColin

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    Because it's an awfully one sided arguement if I leave it in the PC section.
     
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  17. Kiristo

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    I find it hard to respect anyonye who thinks console gaming is actually better than pc gaming. The big advantage in consoles is their price. But who doesn't own a computer of some kind? You probably have a shitty computer and a console, when you could have a good computer... You use your console only for gaming, but your pc has far more usability. The price argument is less powerful when you consider this. Maybe he wanted his PC comrades to join him, not start a debate with console gamers by putting it in PC? Half the time, that is the only forum I even check. Piracy may be killing PC gaming, but free gaming > paying for shit, so it isn't really a surprise. You could have done better to incite the console fanboys, cali. I am dissapointed.
     
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  18. letusprey

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    hmmm...I just play all three. I don't understand fanboyism.
     
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  19. GRColin

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    Agreed.

    I also find it pretty lame that someone won't respect an individual for having a different opinion when it comes to how you like playing your video games.
     
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