What are your thoughts on Ryzen?

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Ryzen: Yay or nay?

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  1. Jonathan_Leack

    Jonathan_Leack Former Executive Editor

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    AMD just had its biggest hardware launch in over a decade. For the most part, its performance has resulted in a lot of praise. However, some are unimpressed with how it compares to Intel's solutions for gaming.

    Do you think AMD has a winner here? Also, would you consider buying it?
     
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  2. De-Ting

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    It's too early. They sound awesome, but they just haven't been in consumers' hands long enough. I'll need to wait and see how well they preform over time and if there are any programs that don't work well on them (games, especially) before I decide if I want one or not.

    I also have a bit of a sore spot toward AMD because Radeon is such a pain in the neck.
     
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  3. cyberjim2000

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    A friend of mine got his in the mail a while ago. I haven't seen it personally but from what I heard there were some issues when he gamed with it. It could also be the fact that he OC'd the shit out of it.
     
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  4. madster111

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    It's still too early to tell what the actual performance is going to be like long term. It's having huge issues in windows 10, one of which is throwing tasks around different cores to load level, resulting in the CPU constantly needing to switch between the 2 separate L3 caches it has (2x8mb + 1x4mb L2)
    That on top of the motherboards STILL not having good BIOS despite them having bloody months and a decent amount of time after launch, one of my favorite youtube reviewers is needing to use straight up 4000mhz DDR4 just to get it to run at 3200 in his MSI board, let alone the massive amounts of problems asus boards have been having including incompatibility with certain RAM kits.

    Wait until the 1600X launches because it's going to be the go-to gaming chip, by then all the kinks will be worked out and a 6c/12t ryzen running at 4.2ghz will be a beast in gaming, especially going into the future where games are finally becoming multithreaded.


    List of things that need to be sorted:
    Windows 10 RTC disliking 0.25x multipliers, causing timing issues
    Software not reading L3 properly (thinking each core has 8MB of L3, rather than 2MB/core)
    Static partitioning methods being used shows performance gains when SMT (hyperthreading) is disabled
    Ryzen showing large performance gains with faster memory, limited to 3200 at best right now
    Microsoft’s scheduler not understanding the different CCX core-to-core latencies
    Windows not scheduling threads within a CCX before moving onto the next CCX

    That can all be fixed with windows and BIOS updates, so go back and look at ryzen gaming performance in a couple weeks.

    I'm just waiting on the 1600X before i do, was considering a 1700 but i'd rather save money and have higher clocks.
     
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  5. Green_Lantern

    Green_Lantern Forum Moderator
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    My thoughts? Is it pronounced Rye-zen or Risen?? That's about the only thoughts I have for it.

    I'm good in the CPU department for a while with my 6700K.
     
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  6. madster111

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    There's also shit like this happening (which also affects dirt rally and grid autosport):


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    There's also some other non-EGO engine games (like ghost recon wildlands) that are seeing ryzen as 16c/16t rather than 8c/16t, reducing performance.
     
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  7. madster111

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    In case anyone was wondering, i wasn't overstating the RAM speed problem. Look at F1 above and these slides below, board manufacturers absolutely need to step their game up. As of right now, if you want to buy ryzen, get one of the gigabyte boards, because they're the ones that are reliably getting 3200mhz.

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    Slides are from this video, which is an excellent explanation of ryzens strong and weak points.
     
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  8. madster111

    madster111 Rookie

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    In other news, the Ryzen 5 CPUs (4/6 cores) are going to be launching on April 11th, with the big one being the 1600X which is going for $249usd, as a 6c/12t running at 4.1ghz out of the box with the full 16mb of cache. Has the same 95w TDP as the 8 cores so hopefully we'll see some higher clocks.
    The second big bit of news is the R5 1400, which is 4c / 8t like intels i7, running at 3.4ghz, and for less than the price of a similarly clocked i5, selling for only $169usd.

    This news has led to multiple reactions from intel, and the 100% certainty of a kaby lake price drop being imminent.
     
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  9. Green_Lantern

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    I doubt Intel is really sweating at all, they're still by far the top dog in the CPU game. Sure, a price drop might be coming but that's about it.
     
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  10. madster111

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    AMD are about to release an unlocked, slightly underclocked i7-7700 for just over 1/2 the price, destroying all of intels current low-to-mid and mid-to-high end lineup (i3-7300, 7320, 7350K, i5-7400, 7500, 7600, i7-7700) after just releasing the 1800X, a 6900K killer for 1/2 the price.
    The only desktop CPUs they now have safe are the Celerons, Pentiums, the i3-7100 (all low price, low profit) and the i7-7700K. The 7600K is a 4c/4t going up against a 6/12t (1600X @ 249) at the current price or a 4c/8t if they drop it down to the 1500X @ $189.

    Here's the Ryzen CPUs and their direct intel competition at current pricing:

    R5 1400 (4c/8t, 3.2ghz) @ $169 vs i5-7400 (4c/4t, 3.0ghz) @ $195
    R5 1500X (4c/8t, 3.5ghz) @ $189 vs i5-7500 (4c/4t, 3.4ghz) @ $205 (sale)
    R5 1600 (6c/12t, 3.2ghz) @ $219 vs i5-7600 (4c/4t 3.5ghz) @ $230
    R5 1600X (6c/12t, 3.6ghz) @ $249 vs i7-7700 (4c/8t, 3.6ghz) @ $315 (sale)
    R7 1700 (8c/16t, 3.0ghz) @ $349 vs i7-6800K (6c/12t, 3.4ghz) @ $450 (sale)
    R7 1700X (8c/16t, 3.4ghz) @ $399 vs i7-6850K (6c/12t, 3.6ghz) @ $610 (sale)
    R7 1800X (8c/16t, 3.6ghz) @ $499 vs i7-6900K (8c/16t, 3.2ghz) @ 1050 (free halo wars 2)

    And every single one of them is unlocked, and every non-X comes with a better cooler than intel, on boards generally cheaper than intel.


    Yeah, i'd say Intel are sweating their bloody balls off right now.
     
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  11. oblivion437

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    Wait for word of mouth is right. There's a well-established track record with AMD equipment looking a hell of a lot better than it actually is, with benchmarks blowing the competition away only for the final product to get outperformed by low-to-mid competitor equipment that released a year prior and is now cheaper.

    There's a reason why Intel and Nvidia have eaten AMD's lunch in their respective spheres for over a decade now.
     
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  12. Madster

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    Intel are losing their goddamn shit.


    They see the insane threat that is threadripper, so they respond by ditching the solder and going paste for the TIM, putting a fucking 4c/4t CPU with 16 PCIe lanes on the top tier enthusiast platform, charging money to unlock RAID, and still charging prices higher than AMD for less cores despite it all?

    The hell are they thinking?
     
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  13. oblivion437

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    Take any observations by Linus with a huge grain of salt. This is the same guy who didn't understand that coil whine isn't some mysterious evil specter that can infect hardware but is in fact the product of running software at uncapped refresh rates approaching 1khz.

    Consider the following...

    AMD's current value is around 1/4 what they paid to buy ATI out in 2006. In 11 years they've lost so much money they have less than a quarter of what they needed to buy out a video card maker that was already in freefall due to competitor dominance. The reason is AMD has made bet after bet that hasn't paid off. The big one is that, any day now I totally promise it's happening, there is going to be a massive sea change in how software is written and read such that multithread compute won't be a dizzying labyrinth that pisses programmers off. Reality keeps calling that bluff, and AMD keeps doubling down while the wolf of bankruptcy court gets ever closer. Their products' critical deficiency for years now has been poor performance per-core and instead of rectifying the issue they keep adding more cores that underperform and go underutilized because mulithread is a pain in the ass to write for and so they never solve either half of the problem.

    Intel and Nvidia are far from perfect. They do a lot of things that a more organized competitor that was serious about chewing chunks out of their marketshare could easily exploit to their own advantage. However, AMD is not the company to do that. They don't survive on quality products at reasonable prices. They don't produce quality products anymore and their price points have become honey traps. They survive because it's in Nvidia and Intel's legal and financial interest to let them survive. Even their near-total control of the console processor market hasn't helped.
     
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