The Avengers: Infinity War Spoiler and Theory Thread

Discussion in 'Films, TV, Music, Books, Etc.' started by Paul Tamburro, May 1, 2018.

  1. Paul Tamburro

    Paul Tamburro Executive Editor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2017
    Messages:
    135
    Likes Received:
    44
    I watched Infinity War over the weekend, so let's talk about it.

    What do you folks think is going to happen to all of our dead superfriends?

    Is Thanos going to realise the error of his ways and reverse time, or is someone going to punch that massive glove right off of his ham hands?

    Are Gamora and Loki dead-dead, or just kinda dead?

    Does the MCU allowing for time travel make Infinity War's climax a little hollow?

    Share your thoughts below!
     
    #1
  2. COMaestro

    COMaestro Regular

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2014
    Messages:
    544
    Likes Received:
    35
    Well, we know that Peter and the Guardians at least have to come back, as they have movies scheduled! :p

    Doctor Strange giving away the Time stone was obviously part of the 1 in 14+ million scenario that he saw where they ultimately win over Thanos, he essentially says as much to Tony before crumbling away. I've seen theories that the Soul stone captures the souls of those who die (based on how the gem works in the comics), where they live in a sort of paradise but can sometimes escape. I'm wondering what would happen if that gem was destroyed. My guess is everyone who died at the hands of the Infinity Gauntlet would be restored. It wouldn't surprise me if Gamora was included in this, as she was the price for the Soul stone in the first place.

    Alternately, perhaps someone will need to use the gauntlet and undo what Thanos did. Perhaps a final sacrifice, as from what we've seen in the first Guardians movie, a human can't really use these things. Thor, possibly, but I feel pretty much any of the other Avengers would die in the attempt.

    Captain Marvel is obviously going to be important as well, considering the end credits stinger.

    May 2019 can't come soon enough!
     
    #2
  3. Colin_B

    Colin_B Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2015
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    2
    I think Loki is dead dead and as much as I love Gamora and want to see her in GoTG 3 she should stay dead or have some sort of heartfelt moment, either by way of the soul stone or time stone with Quill for the emotional punch to really hit.

    My concern right now is everything will be reversed up to a point and the stakes won't feel as high.

    As far as who goes in the next one I feel as though Thor is finally hitting his stride and would love to see him stay and be a leader for the phase 4 team and as much as I love the character Captain America, from a narrative stand point has to go as does Tony Stark. I feel like Black Widow's story is done. War Machine is a nice background character and I enjoy Don Cheadle on screen but he should also go. Without Tony what place is there left for him? I guess he could take up the Iron Man mantle but I could also see Shuri doing that later on. She definitely has the smarts to be the next Tony Stark. Although Cheadle as an actor may be better suited for that.

    That's an interesting theory. I just hope some deaths stick and more people die in the 2nd part. I get there has to be conflict resolution but let's not get too far into comic book territory where no death is ever permanent.

    I really appreciated RDJ in this one. I felt that when Stark was meeting Dr. Strange for the first time and learning about Thanos from Banner he came across as genuinely worried/fearful. I'm not sure if his character actually was or not but it was a nice touch.
     
    #3
  4. Master_Craig

    Master_Craig Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,034
    Likes Received:
    53
    I think that a lot of the "damage" in the film (e.g. the deaths of so many characters at the end) will inevitably be undone and reversed in typical comic book fashion.

    Like COMaestro said, I also agree that it will have something to do with the time stone. Doctor Strange said that he looked at over fourteen million different scenarios and outcomes of facing Thanos and only "one" is where they defeat him. When Strange handed the time stone over to Thanos at the end of the fight, telling Tony "It's the only way", it must be part of that one potential outcome of Thanos' defeat that Strange saw.

    I have a feeling Loki, Heimdall and maybe the rest of the Asgardians will stay perma-dead, but I think it's obvious that all the other characters who were essentially killed by the gauntlet, will inevitably return. That's an interesting theory about the soul stone, e.g. that it contains the souls of those its killed, including Gamora as she was essentially the first, the reason why Thanos now carries the soul stone.

    I'm not a hundred percent sure how to feel about Captain Marvel, who will be in the next Avengers film as well as her own movie. Apparently, according to the directors of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Captain Marvel will be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU (I'm unsure as to how powerful she is in the comics). I just don't want a new character rocking up and pretty much being a trump card and reason to Thanos' eventual defeat. Hopefully, Captain Marvel is a cool character on screen.

    It is interesting that Hawkeye, Antman and the Wasp were completely absent from Infinity War. Apparently, that trio will play a big role in the next Avengers film, along with Captain Marvel.
     
    #4
  5. Colin_B

    Colin_B Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2015
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    2
    I completely agree that anyone killed by the soul stone will be brought back.

    I also agree with you on Captain Marvel. I imagine the film will be good at Brie Larson is a such a good actor. I just don't want it to lower the stakes too much and make the other Avengers seem useless. I mean Thor is a God after all.
     
    #5
  6. Master_Craig

    Master_Craig Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,034
    Likes Received:
    53
    Speaking of "Gods"... what happened to the Valkyrie, as well as Korg? Were they killed by Thanos? Escaped?

    Same goes with Lady Sif. Haven't seen or heard from her since Thor: The Dark World, but I did see she was on an episode of Agents of Shield.

    Edit: Actually, I just read online... Jamie Alexander (the actress who plays Sif) didn't appear in Ragnarok as she was so busy filming Blindspot. The directors/writers claim that Sif is still alive (at the time of Ragnarok, who knows with Infinity War).

    What I do find interesting is that the ending of Infinity War is almost going to force the Marvel TV shows (like Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage etc.) to decide whether or not it's actually a part of the Marvel "Cinematic Universe", as in the same universe/lore... because well, over half of the galaxy's population just died.
     
    #6
    Last edited: May 1, 2018
  7. Green_Lantern

    Green_Lantern Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2008
    Messages:
    5,977
    Likes Received:
    20
    I just want Heimdall and Strange back, are just those two too much to ask?
     
    #7
  8. Colin_B

    Colin_B Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2015
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    2
    So there's plans for Tessa Thompson (Valkyrie) in the MCU still so it's likely she was part of a group that escaped the ship and survived the snap.

    As for the Netflix/Marvel shows I don't think they have to acknowledge anything more than they already have. The timeline is a little confusing for the tv shows but basically the Defenders series took place not long after the events of Civil War and Jessica Jones season 2 was two months after that and it just aired. Daredevil season 3 likely won't launch until November of this year or spring next year but looking at the timelines it's easy to assume it will either take place before Infinity War or after once everything has been resolved. It *is* in the same universe but it's extremely frustrating to not have them mention something other than saying "the incident".

    *Pours one out for Heimdall*. Not Dr. Strange though since he'll likely be back.
     
    #8
  9. Master_Craig

    Master_Craig Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,034
    Likes Received:
    53
    Doctor Strange will definitely be back, but I can't say the same about Heimdall.

    Perhaps we'll see Valkyrie and Korg in the next Avengers film?
     
    #9
  10. COMaestro

    COMaestro Regular

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2014
    Messages:
    544
    Likes Received:
    35
    I feel like Heimdall may have Bifrost-ed the women and children from the ship to Earth, since that's where they were going anyway. It's possible some defenders were sent along, such as Valkyrie and Korg. He sent Hulk there, after all. Hard to say without knowing the real extent of how the Bifrost works or if there's any limitation to the number of people that can be sent.
     
    #10
  11. Bretimus_v2

    Bretimus_v2 Hey kiddo!

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Messages:
    10,979
    Likes Received:
    14
    Considering Stormbreaker can Bifrost on it’s own, Heimy got outsourced. Adam Warlock will make an appearance to help sort this mess out. He was teased at the end of GotG2 and I think the stage is set for him and maybe another cosmic Marvel character to come into play.

    Did anyone else think the where’s the stone bit with Thanos and the Collector felt like a Snatch callback?
     
    #11
  12. Bretimus_v2

    Bretimus_v2 Hey kiddo!

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Messages:
    10,979
    Likes Received:
    14
    Also I’ve heard a lot of people talk about the place where thanos saw baby Gamora being the Soul Plane so I’d imagine it’s a lot more crowded.
     
    #12
  13. Master_Craig

    Master_Craig Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    4,034
    Likes Received:
    53
    With Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 3, I say it would probably be set after Infinity War: Part II (I know that's not the actual title, but it was the working title beforehand). GotG: V3 is set to be released in 2020, whilst the next Avengers will be in May, 2019.

    I don't know much about Adam Warlock. Is he a villain, or is he a hero? And yes, with Heimdall, I'd dare say that he's unfortunately perma-dead.

    The Soul Plane is an interesting theory! Like I said before, I think everyone killed by the gauntlet (disappearing at the end) will most likely come back.
     
    #13
  14. Colin_B

    Colin_B Forum Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2015
    Messages:
    32,852
    Likes Received:
    2
    The Russo Brothers confirmed that Thanos is in the soul realm with Gamora at the end.

    Pretty interesting and I think that guarantees she will be back. Now if her soul returns will she have her same body? I heard Gamora plays a big part in GoTG 3. I wonder if part of that is adapting to a new body or something. Who knows.

    He's a hero who helps defeat Thanos in the comics but he also isn't showing up in Avengers 4. I think it's been confirmed that he will be revealed in GotG Vol. 3.
     
    #14
  15. Bretimus_v2

    Bretimus_v2 Hey kiddo!

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Messages:
    10,979
    Likes Received:
    14
    He has two forms Warlock and Magus. One is good and the other is evil. He’s one of the god level characters in Marvel.
     
    #15

Share This Page